Advice needed for content writing jobs

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Hello everyone and thank you in advance for any replies.

To summarise the situation, I have been working as a freelance writer for three years and have largely received positive feedback. Last year I started working exclusively for one customer; the only downside of this excellent work arrangement was that I lost contact with all previous customers. For some unknown reason I can't seem to get in contact with the person I've been working for (I hope he's alright!) and since my existence depends on this occupation, I now have to consider other options.

Unfortunately, I'm not up to date with the specifics of this activity anymore; form what I've been reading it has become a lot more competitive. I've always charged a 1 p per word ratio, which even three years ago was quite little for quality work.

Lately I've been compelled by my financial situation to accept offers of as little as 3 pounds for a minimum of 500 words, which surprisingly, the customer found to be a decent price. It's amazing really when you consider that a single article may require two or three hours of research, depending on its theme. It's quite difficult to start from scratch after having built up a good reputation and having failed to preserve it. However, I suppose I should have held on to the 3 pounds for 500 words deal before I ended up trying my luck on iWriter for less than 2.50 dollars for 2-3 hours of work.

Which brings me to the observation that such websites (in my opinion anyway) are a massive waste of time. Which is a mere opinion of course; I hope I'm allowed to write this here. Some of the people requesting articles actually demand excellence at that ridiculous rate. And the worst part is that they are free to reject an article without even giving you a reason. A normal collaboration entails some type of communication, and if anything needs to be modified it can easily be done, without rejecting the whole article. Not to mention that sometimes the indications given are not clear or complex enough to illustrate the customer's requirements, and of course, when the result doesn't meet their expectations, the article ends up being tossed aside.

These people simply take liberties with regards to the time and effort put in by other human beings and don't even bother to give them an explanation. It seems to me they are under the impression that these articles are similar to mass-produced items they can select from, and not bespoke ''products'' they have actually placed an order for. This is not equitable in the slightest.

Which brings me to my question (if you've been patient enough to read this, thank you) : what are the realistic expectations of someone like me earning a steady income out of this activity anytime soon, and where should I look for work?

Again, thank you for your patience :) .
 
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terryuk

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I think any content for sale networks is over ridden with offshore workers or bots so you are up against strict competition.

Which brings me to my question (if you've been patient enough to read this, thank you) : what are the realistic expectations of someone like me earning a steady income out of this activity anytime soon, and where should I look for work?

You could earn blogging for yourself or partner up with the right someone and pull in some good money. Hint *
 
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Content_writer_2012

Thank you for replying.

Yes, these sites seem to be directed at low cost writers (considering the money offered); however what I notice is that even well written articles are rejected.

I was wrong however with regards to the reasons of rejection (or lack thereof) given on iWriter; they do motivate this briefly. Sorry for misleading; I'm not entirely familiar with the options yet.

I just got a message claiming my article had ''bad grammer'', from someone who obviously can't really spell. Isn't that funny. I know for a fact I do not have poor grammar and that I use tools which detect it, therefore I can't possibly understand this.

Thank you for the suggestion; I hadn't considered blogging to actually earn an income.
 
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Content_writer_2012

Thank you for your reply.

That is very good news as I thought prices had gone down.

I've always had a great collaboration with people based in the UK; there's a huge discrepancy between the way UK based customers evaluate this service and the way they see it in the US, where, from my experience, they often expect quality work for next to nothing.

No, I don't mind working hard at all (and I'm happy to send examples of my previous work as well to anyone interested).
 
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I was shocked to hear how little reward you were offered for your hard work.
To have work rejected by someone who has a poor grasp of grammar/spelling tells you all you need to know about their professionalism.

I have no advice for you, but hope you soon find assignments that pay a good rate.
 
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Not only would I not get out bed for 1p a word I wouldn't let my dog work for that kind of pittance. You've got to know your worth and stick to it. If you can write good content and interesting articles then you should be looking at £30 a page minimum. If you can learn to write sales letters, ads and press releases then you can earn much more.

If you're looking for immediate work go to www.elance.com, www.rentacoder.com, www.guru.com, www.getafreelancer.com - open accounts and bid on some of the jobs that you feel confident doing. Ignore the silly bids put in by the Asian guys, just bid on YOUR lowest price. Get a reputation and work will soon find you.

If you haven't already, get a website and build a portfolio... you'll need it. Hope this helps.
 
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To Classic books :

Thank you for your supportive comment.

I know, I was shocked myself at the lack of understanding with regards to the very complex process of writing an article. I actually described my method to the potential customer, which involves five different phases of development, and mentioned it usually took a few hours to write a quality 500 word article. And that person still considered 3 pounds a fair payment for a few hours' continual work. This was about half of the minimum wage in the UK when I used to live there. I actually had menial jobs in Scotland and was surprised to realise that for an hour's staircase cleaning I would get twice what I get now for a few hours' intense intellectual work. Surely that can't be right.

To BusyVids:

Thank you very much for the useful links. I haven't had a chance to click on them and register yet but I will definitely do that tomorrow when my mind is clearer and ready to take on new opprtunities.

I perfectly understand how you feel about the issue and I must confess the very low prices I was offered for many hours of work gave me an almost visceral reaction and the natural instinct was to reject them straight away. I found them outrageous, even disgusting at one point. But being responsible for a family's wellbeing makes you do anything, even swallow your pride and accept jobs you never would've accepted otherwise. Although this kind of endeavour doesn't help much anyway.

You are absolutely right, this service is often undervalued.

Thanks again :) .
 
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Content_writer_2012

Hello everyone,

After having a few articles rejected on iWriter (if I'd taken the time to read about real experiences writers have had there I never would've registered) I remain puzzled about an article request I still can't figure out.

I would really appreciate it if someone coult tell me what the following instructions mean, or at least try to guess. Maybe there's something I'm missing here but it doesn't sound like coherent English.

I need a media and public transfer information or NEWS for my Product,which give the reason why the client ought to click our website! The requirement for the passage is rather high, be sure you are excellent enough! or else i won't accept.

This request contained a URL which lead to a page describing a product - a specific item of lingerie.
The word count was 500, the tone was meant to be professional and the payment would have been 2.43 USD. I was only doing that in order to upgrade, of course.

After wrecking my brains to advertise the bloody thing in 500 words without repeating information and trying to keep things interesting, my article was rejected as ''he wasn't looking for an ad''.

I wonder what he was looking for.

Anyhow, this sort of thing happens all the time on iWriter. Not to mention that if you want to close your account and claim your earnings you don't receive them unless they are over 20 dollars. Hence if your balance is lower you are compelled to write more articles which may or may not add to your balance, in order to get what is morally yours. Otherwise your only choice is to forget about that money and move on. I chose the latter as I would rather shave my head than work there again (and I am female, mind you).

Also, I've read stories of requesters rejecting articles because they no longer wanted them or had received them from other sources (they'd probably posted requests on other sites as well). It's that easy and guilt-free for them. And as a writer, there is nothing you can do.

I intend to start a blog centred on freelance writing and describe my full experience of it there, as it was nothing like what I was led to believe when I registered.
 
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Hi Content Writer,

I was so sorry to read about your recent troubles. Don't give up - you can absolutely earn a fantastic living as a freelance writer! Here are some things I would recommend if you're starting from scratch. Please don't be afraid to charge what you're worth.

You mentioned that you once had numerous clients? In the first instance, drop them an informal email, remind them of how much you enjoyed working with them and ask whether there's anything you can help with in the coming months. Next, scour the job boards of sites like ProBlogger, BloggingPro and Freelance Writing Gigs. There are well paid content writing gigs added every morning. Run searches for keywords like 'content writer needed' on Twitter too. I have a list of around 25 websites, which pay (WELL) for content immediately that I hand out during my introduction to freelance writing workshops. If you need some more tips, drop me a PM.

Good luck!

Kerry
 
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I actually don't know as I've nerver been a fan of SF :) .
Number one in this top ten list :D And I like long hair...

Back to topic, IMHO 1p per word is at the bottom end. Do you specifically want a career in content writing or are you looking for additional income and just using this (content writing) as a means to an end?
 
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I'm trying to make a living out of it as it's my only source of income. Fortunately I heard back from the person I've been working for and will get some more work soon, but I'm interested in finding new customers as well as I know can handle a substantial amount of work and do it well.

After a brush with the freelance writing market from overseas, I suddenly don't find 1 p per word that low anymore, although it would be great to earn more. :)
 
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Do yourself a favour, and head over to the forums at The Professional Copywriter's Network (Google it). It's been set up by a couple of UK-based writers who are sick and tired of content mills and pay-per-word jobs, so that people like you can get some advice and assistance from other freelancers.

Also, if you've got a tenner spare, I recommend Andy Maslen's book on Freelance Copywriting. That's got some great tips on increasing your earning power. It's called "Write Copy, Make Money".
 
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I have used them with good results in the past and to be honest, that debate was quite amusing as it just gave them a lot of publicity & links. It's not a bad service at all as a customer, i couldnt comment on the content writer side but i think a lot of the higher priced content writers got a bee in their bonnets about them.

I should "declare" i vaguely know / have met, the guys who set it up but still wouldnt mention them if i hadnt found the service useful.
 
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I'm trying to make a living out of it as it's my only source of income. Fortunately I heard back from the person I've been working for and will get some more work soon, but I'm interested in finding new customers as well as I know can handle a substantial amount of work and do it well.

After a brush with the freelance writing market from overseas, I suddenly don't find 1 p per word that low anymore, although it would be great to earn more. :)
Personally, I'd decide on a minimum price and stick to it. I pay people like you more than 1p a word and I can make a profit on the deal. ;)

Here's a couple of suggestions:

1. PLR Article Pack. Lets say you write 10 articles on a given niche product. You package these up and put them up for sale on the likes of digitalpoint or warrior forum for say usd35 and limit the sales to 100. That makes you usd3500 or usd350 per article. That's a little better than a fiver per article or less :) Or you could just leave it unlimited sales and leave them up for sale forever, occasionally posting an ad to the various forums and market places around the web to raise interest.

Do one pack per day for a month and you have potential 20x that.

2. Your own blog. Lets say you write a couple of articles per week on a given niche. You put advertising/affiliate links/CPA offers/Adsense on the site and it will continue to earn forever more.

You could also add a subscription to your blog to Amazon - take a look under the Kindle newstand - over 13,000 blogs listed, many of which are free blogspot or wordpress.com blogs.

Both of these you could do in conjunction with your work as a content writer for others.

There are many other options for a writer. My first IM project was a fairly poorly written compilation of questions and answers in a specific niche - I bought a new car from the proceeds... and I can't write to save my life! :D

And of course there is always the option of approaching any local SEO or marketing agency for regular work.
 
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Thank you very much for the suggestions.

I've always thought blogging was more of a hobby than a pofitable activity. I do have a blog but my intention was to use it for ranting :) .

About the Warrior Forum, I keep away from it, although I've been reading it lately to find information on content mills. I've come across some long term members whose business ethics almost border on sociopathy :) . Plus, I've read many negative things.

You're right about this occupation being versatile; I guess once someone gets comfortable in a certain system they forget to chek out other ways to exploit their abilities.
 
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Hello....how are you getting on with your content writing? I have just started up as a self emloyed copywriter in Dorset after spending 6 years slogging away with the open university. I got a website designed (I was very lucky as my sister is a web designer), got a blog, added myself to free directories, got onto the social media bandwagon, and then decided to offer some FOC copywriting so people could see what I could do. I have helped many people so far, with all sorts of projects and now have paid work coming in. It's been a hard slog but worth it. Although I am very confident in my abilities, without proof and feedback from the people I had written for, I felt it would be hard to promote myself to others. Now with even more confidence in what I can do, I really believe I can do this and people's kind words reinforce this. Don't doubt yourself and keep your chin up.

Not saying the above is the route to go (for you personally) but getting your own site developed and tuned so it is visible is crucial, I think.

I'd just like to say a big thank you to all the people who have taken up my offers so far and given me great testimonials...anyone else who needs me, let me know. Hannah
 
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The problem with content mills is that they exploit and offer poor value for writers and clients.

Firstly, writers get paid a pittence for their efforts; although, a lot on their are aweful writers.

Secondly, clients get copy written by a lot of amateur writers willing to have a go (you only need a PR or Marketing background). Therefore, no return on investment, and the copy is useless.

I was on one. Had all top feedback. One customer complained as they didn't like what I had written. I made amendments - still moaned (they should have written it themselves). They gave it to another writer, paid me for it (£9 - woo hoo!) and thanked me for my services! :eek: They ended up with very similar copy to what I had written!!

I am not there anymore. There's more to writing than that...

I have been published in national and international publications before that. I've written for thisisbristol.co.uk (Ladbrokes advertorial), and for other companies. I also guest blog at grads.co.uk.

There are opportunities to build your profile. However, every writers journey is different. My background is in writing courses, Diploma in Copywriting, Journalism, and have an English Lit and Media Production Degree. Strings to bows is the name of the game. :)
 
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Brendan Dunn has an interesting take on this: he'd argue that calling yourself a "content writer" is a terrible idea, because it commoditises what you do and focuses on mechanics rather than outcomes.

Lawyers, for example, would never describe themselves as "professional letter writers". But that's what they basically are. Their value is that they stop you getting sued.

You write words. But what can those words do for your employer? What measurable results have they delivered for previous employers?

Framing it in those terms takes you away from "per word" rates, which is always going to be a race to the bottom. And anyway - the fewer words you need to convey a message the better, right?
 
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Hi Hannah, I've done similar stuff in the past (FOC content) to prove my abilities, and you're right, positive feedback gives you a lot of confidence. Lately I haven't had to work as hard and have focused on blogging.
 
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I advice you to visit freelancer.com site. You can also visit tycoontalk.freelancer.com/. This is forum of freelancer website.

Yes, I have an account there, but haven't bidden on any projects I felt I could complete successfully due to the abundance of competition. I figured if I asked for decent rates, surely among the 30 or 50 other bidders some had offered to do it for less. I guess it's worth a try though.
 
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Content_writer_2012

Brendan Dunn has an interesting take on this: he'd argue that calling yourself a "content writer" is a terrible idea, because it commoditises what you do and focuses on mechanics rather than outcomes.

That's an interesting point. Especially since for many people providing this service writing is a passion, an innate ability. One could say they provide SEO services, which would be true but confusing at the same time.

On the other hand, some internet marketers complain too many people ''label'' themselves with the generic term ''writers'' and have *******ised the notion.
 
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2. Your own blog. Lets say you write a couple of articles per week on a given niche. You put advertising/affiliate links/CPA offers/Adsense on the site and it will continue to earn forever more.

I'm reading this thread backwards but did it really take till page 4 for someone to suggest this? In some ways, decent bloggers or decent resource sites run this game. Niche by niche - obviously.

Automated articles, content spinning, 99 cent article sites and the... nerfing of article marketing haven't helped copywriters really. But it would be the simplest thing in the world to retrain as a link builder. Not talking about those people who register on forums with dodgy signatures. Talking about people who write guest blogs, arrange guest blogs, write provocative site blogs and know how to use Twitter/social media, Google Alerts and whatever for "outreach".
 
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Thanks for your advice, I'll look into that.

I'm currently seeing the effect content mills have had on my activity - I've been told that charging 1p per word was too much as long as customers could always turn to Freelancer or iWriter and get the same type of work for a fifth of that amount. A few years ago it wasn't this difficult to get work.

It's obvious even if people aren't blunt about it. A few potential customers have recently contacted me asking for samples of my work, and even though they claimed I was worth hiring, never got back to me afterwards. Never mind wasting my time; why would they waste theirs on email exchanges and give someone false hope? My guess is that in the end they always opt for the cheaper alternative.

I'm trying not to be a hypocrite here as I do shop in a supermarket and realise for all the cheap things i'm getting someone's being seriously underpaid. I just wish people were more straightforward about their intentions.

There's a saying that ''ethics have no place in business'', which ignores the fact that nearly everyone does business of some sort. If ethics have no place in business they have no place in society.
 
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I'm currently seeing the effect content mills have had on my activity - I've been told that charging 1p per word was too much as long as customers could always turn to Freelancer or iWriter and get the same type of work for a fifth of that amount.

The problem is that you're seeing "content mills" as your competition. That means you're framing your value proposition completely wrong.

For clients in the world of iWriter etc, they don't care about quality at all. Are they brilliantly written or not? Who cares. They just need some words - any words - strung together. Content for content's sake. As they don't care about the craft, it's all about who can deliver "some words" cheapest. And you can't win that battle, nor should you want to.

By contrast, here's a writing service we offer. We show how our work helps to meet a specific business objective that they care about. Per-word it probably works out at 60p, but who's counting words?

The ultimate example of "writing as a tool to meet a business objective" rather than "writing for the sake of having words" would be learning to write sales copy. If someone's making £1m a year selling products with a conversion rate of 1.5% and your words can increase that conversion rate to 3%, they should theoretically be willing to pay you anything up to £999,000 for your copy. It's a very tough skill to acquire, but that's what makes it so valuable.

Alternatively, establish expertise in a particular sector. There's an industry I happen to have a lot of insider knowledge about where I get £100 for an article of typically 500 words. They're not paying for my time, or the number of words, but for my expertise.

I don't mean to bang on about all this, but it bothers me when people are undervaluing themselves. Hope this is helpful rather than just ranty :)
 
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By contrast, here's a writing service we offer. We show how our work helps to meet a specific business objective that they care about. Per-word it probably works out at 60p, but who's counting words?

I love your approach; that's exactly the type of creative work I'd like to be doing and I'm confident I'd do it well.

What put me off in the past was working for a couple of... how do I put it... stiff characters. Most people I worked for were great; some however would not tollerate the slightest humour or human story towards selling products, which made me think that approach wasn't safe.

One guy, who I hated working for (I really needed the money) made me pay for a whole year for 2 lines of diversional humour I thought would make an article more appealing. What he did from then on was write the same specifications under the description of each article he ordered. To paraphrase: ''The content should be original, informative, well-written, to the point, should not divert from the main theme...'' etc. He would order 9 articles and paste that under each title, in the same email, as if I needed to be constantly reminded what to do. Those notes took more space than the orders themselves. At one point I wanted him to fire me. I made sure every article was so laden with the most uninteresting technical details nobody would want to read it. Objectionably boring. I know that wasn't very honest at the time but he was being a patronising prick. Guess what? He was very happy with that. The duller the better.

So I'm glad some people are lightening up a bit nowadays. :)
 
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What put me off in the past was working for a couple of... how do I put it... stiff characters. Most people I worked for were great; some however would not tollerate the slightest humour or human story towards selling products, which made me think that approach wasn't safe.

Yeah, those are the kind of clients it's not worth having!

The idea is that a small number of people see our site and think "Yes! These are the only people for me!" - then price isn't even an issue. Some people will totally hate it and it'd be wildly inappropriate for their business, but that's fine. You've got to alienate some people to draw in others.

If you don't stand out in some way, you're stuck competing on price - which seldom ends well.

I love how your client ended up enjoying your "objectionably boring" articles. Bet his readers didn't!
 
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