HMRC Tax Blunder – HMRC not following their own rules! Views please

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I have highlighted that in many of the cases that we are seeing the underpayment of tax results from Incapacity Benefit not being taxed.
Now it seems that and I quote from the HMRC web site


As they know the details of the claim, the DWP is responsible for determining whether INCAPACITY BENEFIT is taxable and notifying the Revenue when a person starts to receive taxable benefit. If there is any doubt whether INCAPACITY BENEFIT is taxable, the person receiving the INCAPACITY BENEFIT should be asked to seek clarification from the DWP.

Source:
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/EIM76180.htm


And I repeat ….


“The DWP is responsible for determining whether Incapacity Benefit is taxable and notifying the Revenue”

According to the DWP they have told HMRC of the Incapacity Benefit paid.


Why is that important?

For what is called an Extra Statutory Concession A19 appeal to be applied and the underpaid written off, HMRC must have failed to use information received about a source of income, within 12 months after the end of the tax year in which the information is received.


So if the tax payer was receiving Incapacity Benefit prior to 5 April 2008 then HMRC did fail to use the information received.


So they should uphold the appeal and write off the tax debt!

This is backed up by their own advice here ….


Exceptional Circumstances

In exceptional circumstances, arrears notified less than 12 months after the end of the relevant tax year may be considered where both of the following apply:



  • HMRC failed more than once to make proper use of information received about a source of income
  • HMRC allowed tax arrears to build up over two whole tax years
Source:


http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/esc/esc.htm


HMRC have certainly allowed the tax arrears to build up over more than two year!


I have two questions ….


Do you agree with this?

Why are HMRC not following their own rules?

Come on HMRC – play fair.


Don’t make the tax payer cough up for your error!
 
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From that Elaine I just cant see how HMRC can deny ESC A19 should be applied in such circumstances.

Bring it on......
 
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Geoff T

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Can I ask a "lay" question please Elaine? Just to make sure I understand this?

My wife gets IB - has done for 3 years (and has had it awarded till she retires BTW)...

So - if I understand correctly - if we've not been asked to pay tax on this before now, then we can tell them where to get off?

Or is it not that clear cut?

(We've not had a letter yet, but they are still flowing out the HMRC door!)
 
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Depends on exact date that she started to receive it - was it before 5 April 2008?

I am confirming that the above is correct.

Just to note it could also apply in other cases of HMRC being notified.

I am still working on all details and confirmation with tax bods smarter than me.

But I see a little light at the end of the tunnel in the case of income before 5 April 2008.

I will continue to dig!
 
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Geoff T

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Depends on exact date that she started to receive it - was it before 5 April 2008?

I am confirming that the above is correct.

Just to note it could also apply in other cases of HMRC being notified.

I am still working on all details and confirmation with tax bods smarter than me.

But I see a little light at the end of the tunnel in the case of income before 5 April 2008.

I will continue to dig!

Yes it was before Apr '08... dig away miner... I'll keep my eye on the developments...many thanks:)
 
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Presumably it is only payments before April 08 that may escape liability. If an IB started before April 08 and continued until now the payments since April 08 would still be liable for tax, even if there has been an error between DWP and HMRC. Or have I misunderstand the full extent of the ESC?

(Just trying to stop people getting too hopeful if payments since April 08 will be caught regardless)
 
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Trying to establish this at the moment.

My hope / wish / desire is that because of the above HMRC have to make a policy decision on what they will do with the cases.

They have allowed more than 2 years to build up being 2008 / 2009 and 2009 / 2010 (they haven't gone back beyond that).

So in my view the ESC shoudl be applied to the two years of 2008 / 2009 and 2009 / 2010 but I expect there will be some debate.

Watch this space ....
 
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    Presumably it is only payments before April 08 that may escape liability. If an IB started before April 08 and continued until now the payments since April 08 would still be liable for tax, even if there has been an error between DWP and HMRC. Or have I misunderstand the full extent of the ESC?

    (Just trying to stop people getting too hopeful if payments since April 08 will be caught regardless)
    I was wondering that. I would hope there was a 'legacy' interpretation in that historically the code was wrong, the same code was advanced year on year and thus periods after April 08 were caught by the ESC, and correct tax codes to be used from now on. However that's very specific and we do need to know when the actual cut off is. I suspect it might be the 12 months.

    I'm also wondering if there is a get-out for people who started their claim since April 08.

    If HMRC have 12 months to play catchup with tax codes, it seems that recent code errors can indeed be corrected by HMRC and tax demanded...
     
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    My view (and no one has told me I am wrong so far ....)

    If income stream started before 05/04/08 and HMRC informed of it (e.g. P60, DWP, NHS pension) then they have allowed more than 2 years of tax to build up.

    So they should apply the ESC and write it off.

    The tax code should be adjusted for this year but no more.

    This is my stance just now but as ever this is complicated .....

    I am in 'talks' with a few people on it so please bear with me.

    But let's face it - it is a little bit of good news isn't it!!!!
     
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