Brand new online shop? Offer Paypal and read these tips

Scott-Copywriter

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Hi folks. Just a quick tip.

People are getting more and more sceptical of online security and CC fraud as time goes on. It's getting to a point where security can highly influence your sales. If a prospective customer has the slightest doubt about security, they may not bother taking the risk and go elsewhere.

So, if you're a brand new e-commerce site with no pagerank, few customers, no mention of you on the net or a less than professional design, then use Paypal or something similar alongside your normal checkout process.

People can then use your encrypted checkout system, or use Paypal if they have any qualms about trusting your site with their financial details.

If you don't like Paypal (or the fees) then at least use it until your site has gained some authority and people can easily find good reviews of you on the net (or on your own site for certain products).

If you don't do this, then you could find a surprisingly high number of prospective customers simply won't trust you if your site is brand spanking new.

A few other tips to instil trust:

1). Good copy. Prospects WANT to trust you and want to buy your goods, so write a bit about your business and (if your business type suits it) write product descriptions in a friendly, more personal style. People are far more likely to be put off if your website has cold, amateur copy.

2). Assure them. Make it clear that your checkout is encrypted and explain the security involved with Paypal if they have any concerns.

3). Keep them updated. Send off E-mails as soon as you have received their order and as soon as their order is dispatched. If you don't, then customers can rapidly become very concerned. In these E-mails, welcome them to contact you if they have any questions.

4). Encourage good reviews. If someone is delighted about a good level of service and gives you feedback, ask them if they could put a review on a particular site. Personally I wouldn't pressure this on other customers who don't give you any voluntary feedback.

5). Be realistic. If someone sees a price which is too low (and without any explanation of why) then it will ring alarm bells. If you have prices which undercut competitors by a large amount (or you charge a lot more than competitors) then explain how and why.

6). Be professional. An amateur looking site can raise huge concerns. Put in the proper investment so your site looks professional and trustworthy.

7). Try to gather on-site product reviews. As well as showing that a product is good, it will also show prospects that people have ordered from your website and received their products properly.

Remember: if a customer is concerned about trust, they will actually look for reasons to trust you (on a conscious or sometimes sub-conscious) level. If they can't find anything, then they're off.

Hope this helps.
 
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Some great tips, thanks.

I couldn't agree more re: PayPal. Writing now as a consumer, I am always happy to pay by paypal - I know I have a level of protection, I know that you, the seller - who I am 99% sure are honest and decent, but there's still that 1% - will not be getting your hands on my bank details. Its also quick and easy, no need for me to fish out my Credit card, type in the number etc.

As an e-retailer, who has set up a succesful e-commerce site in the last year, I've had no problems with paypal and, crucially, it allowed me to set up an ecommerce solution (i.e. take money of buyers!) without having to pay anything in advance. As all start ups know (or will come to learn!) cash flow is king and using paypal means you don't have to use some of your very valuable and (if you're like me) very limited start up funds on buying another solution.

I know a lot of people 'out there' whinge about PayPal, but for me, as both a seller and as a buyer, I like it.

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well its this paypal thing again:) any top dick and harry can offer paypal whereas only those (in the main) that have a proper business/ bank relationship/ track record etc can offer to take credit/ debit cards. So, in offering paypal only cos you are a new site in order to inspire trust could be seen as a contridiction of terms:|
 
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well its this paypal thing again:) any top dick and harry can offer paypal whereas only those (in the main) that have a proper business/ bank relationship/ track record etc can offer to take credit/ debit cards. So, in offering paypal only cos you are a new site in order to inspire trust could be seen as a contridiction of terms:|

Not really.

Paypal = You know it's secure and the financial details are handled by a separate company. The business has access to the money you have given and nothing else.

On-site credit card payment = It can easily masquerade as a form to leech credit/debit card details. Details can also be misleading on the page.

So, you offer both, as people will not see an alternative Paypal checkout method as a sign of suspicion, so it isn't quite a contradiction of terms. Paypal doesn't directly inspire trust in the site, but it simply limits the damage if any occurs.
 
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As a consumer I hate paypal and refuse to use it. If I want peace of mind I use my credit card as I know the goods are insured for 6 weeks etc.

The cost of paypal as well is prohibitive compared to other merchant accounts, so cannot understand in these days of everyone having access to cards, why anyone feels its a viable means of payment.
 
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I may well have preconceptions regarding paypal. Personally, although I've never had trouble with it, I hate it and think its a negative but if you are selling 99p hair bands then I can see it may have an appeal. Those that are financially savvy will surely realise a seller having a merchants account carries more weight and a site doing paypal only is perhaps flimsy. Anyway, I started another thread about the ease of getting a mechants account - maybe they are two a penny in which case I will roll over on this one:)

yep edit to concur with Gillie above.
 
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As a consumer I hate paypal and refuse to use it. If I want peace of mind I use my credit card as I know the goods are insured for 6 weeks etc.

The cost of paypal as well is prohibitive compared to other merchant accounts, so cannot understand in these days of everyone having access to cards, why anyone feels its a viable means of payment.

Well it's still a very simple and easy method of payment. On occasions I personally choose Paypal over a checkout as I can complete an order within seconds instead of having to add in my card details.

There are always going to be lovers and haters of different payment methods though.

I may well have preconceptions regarding paypal. Personally, although I've never had trouble with it, I hate it and think its a negative but if you are selling 99p hair bands then I can see it may have an appeal. Those that are financially savvy will surely realise a seller having a merchants account carries more weight and a site doing paypal only is perhaps flimsy. Anyway, I started another thread about the ease of getting a mechants account - maybe they are two a penny in which case I will roll over on this one:)

yep edit to concur with Gillie above.

I would not recommend having Paypal only (as I stated in my original post, offer Paypal alongside your usual payment method). A merchant account is more professional and should be a necessity in any professional e-commerce site. However, if you're brand new and without authority, then it's wise to offer Paypal as well for the people who simply don't 100% trust your business or your checkout system yet.

Because if you don't have paypal, and they don't 100% trust your checkout system, then you've lost a customer. Simple as that.
 
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. However, if you're brand new and without authority, then it's wise to offer Paypal as well for the people who simply don't 100% trust your business or your checkout system yet.

this is the bit I'm unsure about. Why would someone be unsure about a site that looks professional and that accepts credit and debit cards:|

Its not as if consumers trawl the internet 24/7 in order to be aware of whose is a new business on the block and whose is not....
 
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this is the bit I'm unsure about. Why would someone be unsure about a site that looks professional and that accepts credit and debit cards:|

Its not as if consumers trawl the internet 24/7 in order to be aware of whose is a new business on the block and whose is not....

Because they are, sometimes by misguided information.

People (who are usually less tech-savvy) are inherently paranoid about online purchases. They don't know that much about encryption, or merchant accounts, or the ways to detect strange activity. That's why online fraud is still rife.

A form to add in debit/credit card details can look legit, but it can easily be a way to collect card details for the purposes of fraud. To some people, they're simply giving their card details to a random, unknown business. Many don't know how it works behind the scenes (unless you explain it to them, see point #2).

Its not as if consumers trawl the internet 24/7 in order to be aware of whose is a new business on the block and whose is not....

They don't do that. However, if they have any doubts about trust, then they will try to find something to prove that the site is legitimate. It's common practice for prospects to search on the likes of Google to see what has or hasn't been said about a business. If they find good reviews, then it's a good sign for them as they know a customer has paid for products and received them.

Similarly, they may use brand awareness and on-page reviews to weigh up whether a website is trustworthy or not. Basically, if none of these exist, then you're not giving a visitor a reason to trust your business and they may not take the risk.

Paypal however is a checkout method many will trust. They will know that their details are (for the most part) safe, and if the website turns out to be bad, then they've only lost what they've paid for, instead of their card details.

You have to look at this from the belief of an average prospect, instead of what you personally believe and know about online buying. That's the key.
 
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I think you don't credit the average buyer with being internet savvy.

Its as easy to spoof a paypal site and form as it is collect card details. Plus now of course most sites offer the veri sign up which is done through your bank.

I have a mother in her 60's who more than knows she should use her credit card at all times to effect payment as its a more secure form of payment.
 
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I think you don't credit the average buyer with being internet savvy.

Its as easy to spoof a paypal site and form as it is collect card details. Plus now of course most sites offer the veri sign up which is done through your bank.

I have a mother in her 60's who more than knows she should use her credit card at all times to effect payment as its a more secure form of payment.

I credit internet savvy buyers with being internet savvy, I 'credit' the non-savvy buyers with being non-savvy. Simple as that. Their is a lot of the former and the latter.

It's what people believe, regardless of how accurate the information is. You have to contend with that. If someone is sceptical then you have two options: either educate them on why your checkout system is safe, or simply give them a payment method they're happy with. In the highly sensitive game of e-commerce selling, it can make an awful lot of difference.

This is just to help brand new sites with little authority, or sites which suffer from a lack of professional branding (due to limited funds for example). If you have a top looking site with plenty of good reviews and on-site product reviews, then you can phase out Paypal if you wish with a negligible difference in sales as people trust you enough to enter their details into the checkout form.
 
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I credit internet savvy buyers with being internet savvy, I 'credit' the non-savvy buyers with being non-savvy. Simple as that. Their is a lot of the former and the latter.

It's what people believe, regardless of how accurate the information is. You have to contend with that. If someone is sceptical then you have two options: either educate them on why your checkout system is safe, or simply give them a payment method they're happy with. In the highly sensitive game of e-commerce selling, it can make an awful lot of difference.

This is just to help brand new sites with little authority, or sites which suffer from a lack of professional branding (due to limited funds for example). If you have a top looking site with plenty of good reviews and on-site product reviews, then you can phase out Paypal if you wish with a negligible difference in sales as people trust you enough to enter their details into the checkout form.

How can you have a lot of savy people and a lot of ignorant people Scott? I take it maths is not your strong point??

And the internet newbies surely will be happier to see a credit/debit card symbol rather than something that is wholly on the internet ie paypal. If you are not used to the internet, you will have never heard of paypal but sure as hell will have seen and recognise credit/debit cards, so this part of your argument doesn't wash.

My mother who again I use, shops on a regular basis on the internet and has done now for over a year since being given her laptop. She has never heard of paypal, and wouldnt use it, so where is the trust issue here?

Oh and can I just point out that my mother aint got the foggiest idea how to use a mobile so in my mind can be regarded as an average consumer.
 
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I couldn't agree more re: PayPal. Writing now as a consumer, I am always happy to pay by paypal - I know I have a level of protection, I know that you, the seller - who I am 99% sure are honest and decent, but there's still that 1% - will not be getting your hands on my bank details. Its also quick and easy, no need for me to fish out my Credit card, type in the number etc.

I'm curious - do you believe that you don't have this same level of protection if you pay by CC?

The only reason PayPal are able to offer you this level of protection is because of the protection inherently built into the credit card system. You are completely and totally protected by your credit card company.
 
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How can you have a lot of savy people and a lot of ignorant people Scott? I take it maths is not your strong point??

You can have a lot of Internet-savvy people and a lot of non-savvy people. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand. :|

And the internet newbies surely will be happier to see a credit/debit card symbol rather than something that is wholly on the internet ie paypal. If you are not used to the internet, you will have never heard of paypal but sure as hell will have seen and recognise credit/debit cards, so this part of your argument doesn't wash.
It does, you're just not understanding it properly.

Why would they be happier to see a credit/debit card symbol? That doesn't make any sense as to why it would instil trust...

You're just making an awful lot of assumptions:

-Newbies will be happier to see a card symbol
-If you're not used to the Internet you will have never heard of paypal
-Recognising a debit card symbol somehow makes you trustworthy enough to receive someone's personal financial details.

Look. People (even with some Internet experience) have beliefs. When they're buying online, as far as they're concerned, they're giving their debit/credit card details to your business. However, Paypal is trusted by many and the details are already stored to be paid with (many people use it from the eBay days).

Of course there are people who don't trust on-site checkouts and people who haven't heard of Paypal. However, offering both allows you to appeal to the largest number of people. Simple as that.

My mother who again I use, shops on a regular basis on the internet and has done now for over a year since being given her laptop. She has never heard of paypal, and wouldnt use it, so where is the trust issue here?

Oh and can I just point out that my mother aint got the foggiest idea how to use a mobile so in my mind can be regarded as an average consumer.

You can regard her as whatever you like, but it's irrelevant in this discussion. You can't take one person who doesn't fit the demographic and then say the entire theory is flawed. I'm basing my theory on working with many clients and their sites over the past year (and some simple common sense). You're basing it on your mother.

I'll say it again. For the non-believers in the security and authenticity of your new site, you have two options:

1). Educate them on why it's safe
(if it is) and convince them to hand over their card details
2). Offer them a payment method they're happy with
 
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Being a word smith Scott, I thought you would understand you can't have a lot of contradicting things ...

And you have still not answered me on why people who do not know the internet, as it is this market you are saying they need to appeal to - why they should have heard of paypal, which is merely an internet payment system ...
 
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QUOTE SCOTT
If you don't like Paypal (or the fees)
then at least use it until your site has gained some authority and people can easily find good reviews of you on the net (or on your own site for certain products).

If you don't do this, then you could find a surprisingly high number of prospective customers simply won't trust you if your site is brand spanking new.

*******

I dont believe the last bit above. Its what you are saying though. Perhaps its a generational thing?? Maybe you are basing too much on transactions via places like this. ..
 
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Being a word smith Scott, I thought you would understand you can't have a lot of contradicting things ...

It isn't contradictory Gillie. Two different groups of people can have a lot of 'members'. If you want to argue for the sake of it can you do it elsewhere please. I'm trying to help people.

And you have still not answered me on why people who do not know the internet, as it is this market you are saying they need to appeal to - why they should have heard of paypal, which is merely an internet payment system ...
Because they just have based on what I've seen over the past year, which is why I'm trying to let people know. Jeff is one example up there if someone who finds Paypal much safer and there are many more.

Paypal is probably the worlds largest independent payment provider. It's also staple of eBay usage which seems to be the first port-of-call for many Internet newbies. So yeah, word gets around. :rolleyes:

It's the peoples perceptions of either a huge institution such as Paypal, and one tiny, brand new shopping site where the prospect has to essentially hand their details over.

For the rest of your answers, read the last post I made properly.

I dont believe the last bit above. Its what you are saying though. Perhaps its a generational thing?? Maybe you are basing too much on transactions via places like this. ..
Places like what?

It's common sense really. Example:

Number of people who trust your business and the checkout enough to hand their details over = 80

Number of people who don't quite trust the business and/or the checkout = 20

Number of people out of those 20 who would pay with Paypal so they believe their card details are safe and their money is safe = 10

Number of people who would walk away if they don't trust the checkout and paypal isn't available = 10

So, you lose those 10 sales.

This is just a rough example of course.
 
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QUOTE SCOTT
If you don't like Paypal (or the fees)
then at least use it until your site has gained some authority and people can easily find good reviews of you on the net (or on your own site for certain products).

If you don't do this, then you could find a surprisingly high number of prospective customers simply won't trust you if your site is brand spanking new.

*******

I dont believe the last bit above. Its what you are saying though. Perhaps its a generational thing?? Maybe you are basing too much on transactions via places like this. ..

Er 99.9% of buyers know who ebay is.

99.8% know who paypal is.

Now what was the name of the other payment processors.?:|

Buyers like paypal cause its on there side.

Dodgy sellers don't.:)

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It isn't contradictory Gillie. Two different groups of people can have a lot of 'members'. If you want to argue for the sake of it can you do it elsewhere please. I'm trying to help people.

Because they just have based on what I've seen over the past year, which is why I'm trying to let people know. Jeff is one example up there if someone who finds Paypal much safer and there are many more.

Paypal is probably the worlds largest independent payment provider. It's also staple of eBay usage which seems to be the first port-of-call for many Internet newbies. So yeah, word gets around. :rolleyes:

It's the peoples perceptions of either a huge institution such as Paypal, and one tiny, brand new shopping site where the prospect has to essentially hand their details over.

For the rest of your answers, read the last post I made properly.

Places like what?

It's common sense really. Example:

Number of people who trust your business and the checkout enough to hand their details over = 80

Number of people who don't quite trust the business and/or the checkout = 20

Number of people out of those 20 who would pay with Paypal so they believe their card details are safe and their money is safe = 10

Number of people who would walk away if they don't trust the checkout and paypal isn't available = 10

So, you lose those 10 sales.

This is just a rough example of course.

I'm sorry Scott but who made you in charge on debate on the forum?? If someone has a genuine concern, what right do you have to stop them from airing it?

Provide me with evidence that ebay is the first port of call for internet newbies ... as the various I know who range in age from 14 to 70 and not one of them headed to ebay when they first wanted to shop!

So again I say, why does putting paypal on your site make new buyers confident when in fact people who have never used the internet will not have heard of paypal, but will have heard of debit/credit cards as most possess em!

As for the safety of using cards - why our banks frequently send out marketing materials telling us about on line safety using credit cards - therefore surely any new site owner, should jump on the back of the banks and utilise already marketed material to instill confidence?

Stop quoting figures Scott without reference to source!
 
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I'm sorry Scott but who made you in charge on debate on the forum?? If someone has a genuine concern, what right do you have to stop them from airing it?

Because you're arguing about the definition of the word 'lot' and how two groups of people can't have a lot of people in! It's really rather irrelevant and nonsensical.

Provide me with evidence that ebay is the first port of call for internet newbies ... as the various I know who range in age from 14 to 70 and not one of them headed to ebay when they first wanted to shop!
"It's also staple of eBay usage which seems to be the first port-of-call for many Internet newbies"

Not all of them so try not to put words in my mouth. I know plenty of people who start off on the web by selling things on eBay and (more importantly) dealing with Paypal. I've also found this to be a common pattern when dealing with clients and client customers in the past year.

You can believe me or not, I'm really not bothered, just trying to give newcomers to the e-commerce scene a bit of a good tip based on what I've experienced.

So again I say, why does putting paypal on your site make new buyers confident when in fact people who have never used the internet will not have heard of paypal, but will have heard of debit/credit cards as most possess em!
Making things up again Gillie, I didn't say people who have never used the Internet before. I said people who aren't very internet savvy (and by this I mean in regards to encryption, merchant accounts and so on).

Obviously such people aren't the entire percentage, but there's a large number of them. Enough to influence your sales at least.

I'll repeat myself again. Many people simply see online transactions as handing financial bank details to a business. If they don't 100% trust the business, they won't do it.

Many of these people see Paypal as a trustworthy method of payment and it's very popular as Earl says. When they use it, they then know that the business doesn't have the bank details, and that the financial loss is limited if the business turns out to be corrupt.

As for the safety of using cards - why our banks frequently send out marketing materials telling us about on line safety using credit cards - therefore surely any new site owner, should jump on the back of the banks and utilise already marketed material to instill confidence?
Yes, and they should also offer a payment method people trust if these people still don't trust checkout systems or don't read this marketing material. I've personally seen it, and despite this wave of literature you speak of, there's still an awful lot of fear when it comes to online selling.

Don't forget, I suggest you use a credible merchant system AND Paypal. If someone feels more comfortable using a payment system they trust, then give them it. I've seen this happen a lot, hence why I'm trying to give some helpful advice.

Stop quoting figures Scott without reference to source!
Stop making things up and misinterpreting what I've said. ;)

This is to help e-commerce newcomers with some fairly common sense advice (i.e. in the early days, the more payment methods, the better, so they can choose a method they trust the most). People can take note and benefit from it, or they can choose to ignore it. As I said, it doesn't bother me.

Once your shop is established with a professional look, some good reviews, some good SEO rankings and a lot of on-site activity, then you can try dropping Paypal if you wish.
 
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Scott you give numbers and examples - this you cannot do without backing up where the figures come from!

I could quite easily say that 75% of internet users who have been using it for less than 3 months have never used ebay ... easy to quote without source to back up what you say.

And no, everything I have said can be referred back to things you have said earlier in this thread - and if they are being misinterpreted then might I suggest that you are not expressing yourself eloquently enough.
 
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Because they just have based on what I've seen over the past year, which is why I'm trying to let people know. Jeff is one example up there if someone who finds Paypal much safer and there are many more.

I would describe myself as internet and tech savvy. Given the choice, when buying, I will choose PayPal. It costs me the, buyer, nothing more and my perception is that is safer than handing over my details to anyone else (perhaps this is where other merchant accounts are falling down? perhaps they need to educate customers that the seller never get to see the buyers details?) its also quick. As, I think Scott was trying to say, a simple statement on a website along the lines of '.. online transactions are handled on our behalf by BarcWest MegaBank. Buy with confidence from widgets-r-us, we will not store any of your banking details on our computers' instills a lot of confidence when buying on line.

Similarly, I am far more to hand over my e-mail address (if not buying anything) to a site that clearly says something like '.. we hate spammers as much as you do. Please be assured we will never give your email address to anyone else.'

I think Scott has offered some good advice. The Paypal argument can rumble on, but I think little more can be gained from discussing its pro's & cons on this thread -perhaps a truce can be declared and we can all go and play football together in no-mans land?

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Scott you give numbers and examples - this you cannot do without backing up where the figures come from!

I could quite easily say that 75% of internet users who have been using it for less than 3 months have never used ebay ... easy to quote without source to back up what you say.

The only source I have is my experience. I didn't know I had to provide a full report with statistical research every time I wanted to help people out. You seem to be the only one going on about it and you're not even someone I'm trying to help!

There WILL be people out there (and there ARE people out there) who are sceptical about giving their card details to unknown new businesses. Many people don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

And no, everything I have said can be referred back to things you have said earlier in this thread - and if they are being misinterpreted then might I suggest that you are not expressing yourself eloquently enough.

Might I suggest that you're choosing to ignore obvious words such as 'many' and choosing to misinterpretate obvious phrases such as 'Internet-savvy'. You're an intelligent woman Gillie I didn't think I had to spell everything out so simply. ;)

Anyway, its irrelevant. To the e-commerce newbies: You can choose to take on board what I've said if you wish. This is just something which I believe could do you some good (i.e. if they don't 100% trust you, give them something they do trust until you're more established). This should be obviously helpful to anyone with some common sense.

If it stops you from losing a few sales in those early days, then it's worth it.
 
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And the internet newbies surely will be happier to see a credit/debit card symbol rather than something that is wholly on the internet ie paypal. If you are not used to the internet, you will have never heard of paypal but sure as hell will have seen and recognise credit/debit cards, so this part of your argument doesn't wash.

No idea what your rambling on about.

Paypal accepts all credit and debit cards.:|

Putting sybols up is a five second job.

More on the importance of Paypal:

http://www.finextra.com/fullfeature.asp?id=890

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sorry Scott, I think my quoted part of your post earlier isnt good advice and at best ambiguous. If your gonna authorative statements to wannabee online business owners, you must expect some observations surely??

Of course, but I've explained my case with simple common sense and if a few people still disagree for some reason, then that's fair enough.

Over the last year, I've noticed this recurring pattern with many sites, so I'm basing this on solid experience. I don't know why you're disagreeing, but you originally said that you dislike Paypal, so that's your own personal belief and I hope it doesn't put people off a good idea.

As for quoting what I said:

If you don't like Paypal (or the fees) then at least use it until your site has gained some authority and people can easily find good reviews of you on the net (or on your own site for certain products).

If you don't do this, then you could find a surprisingly high number of prospective customers simply won't trust you if your site is brand spanking new.
In context, I'm referring to using both the Paypal checkout and a suitable credit/debit card checkout so people have a clear and simple choice. This way, if your site is new and people do not 100% trust your own checkout system (or even your business) then you could still grab some of those customers with an alternative payment method they may trust (and from what I've seen, there's enough people for this to be worthwhile).

Once your site becomes more authoritative and trusted, then you may find the difference becomes negligible, so you can remove it if you wish.

Can't make it anymore obvious than that.
 
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Many of the people I work with ONLY know eBay and when I have shown then my site they have all said "great you have paypal" it is instantly recognised and I don't understand why any website wouldn't have it. I registered my maestro card to some verification thing and am often prompted for my password, which I can never remember so have to reset it before I can proceed, if there is a paypal option I always use it.
 
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I spent some time contacting my customers some months ago and one of the questions I asked was why they had chosen to pay using Paypal. The majority said that they had used Paypal before mostly buying product from ebay and were very comfortable using it as there preferred payment method. Some days Paypal payments account for over 50% of all transactions.
 
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In context, I'm referring to using both the Paypal checkout and a suitable credit/debit card checkout so people have a clear and simple choice.

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this is my point really, you wrote a stand alone paragraph which gave specific generalised advice with no mention of using other payment methods which to a casual reader comes across as if your site is new (read any site) , offer paypal or you will lose buyers.

Anyway, I must admit, I've learnt a few things about paypal from these various threads so I'm glad this thread has gone as it has done. The point needs making perhaps that people that buy teddies are a completely diffferent animal to those for example buying a petrol lawnmower and how many of Earls buyers buy a jetski using Paypal:|:|:| What I'm saying is its dangerous to base facts on one type of buyer but give generalised advice nevertheless which is what I think you have tended to do...

but good thread anyways:)
 
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this is my point really, you wrote a stand alone paragraph which gave specific generalised advice with no mention of using other payment methods which to a casual reader comes across as if your site is new (read any site) , offer paypal or you will lose buyers.

The point needs making perhaps that people that buy teddies are a completely diffferent animal to those for example buying a petrol lawnmower and how many of Earls buyers buy a jetski using Paypal

Oh come on Matt why are you going on about something so pedantic as specific wording? People aren't stupid. I'm talking about E-commerce sites which 99% of people have. I highly doubt someone is going to start a site where people add Jet Ski's to a basket and then proceed to the checkout. I do believe Earl's site simply requests further contact to personally complete the sale which is probably the best method.

Actually, Paypal might even be better for very expensive items. As the cost of the item goes up, people may be more sceptical about losing their money and may rather use Paypal. Who knows?

I think anything up to around £1000 is feasible for Paypal if someone is very concerned. Perhaps more. Mind you, I think anything around or above that amount should be handled personally instead of adding it to a basket and going through an automated checkout (with a card gateway system or not).

It's actually worth testing this regardless of what you're selling. I'm basing this advice on my experience but you won't know for sure until you at least try Paypal out and measure the results.

If a site was selling £300 petro lawnmowers, would I recommend trying Paypal out? Yes. You could be losing sales if you have a new site selling £300 items and some don't trust your site or checkout yet.

But hey, maybe we should clarify the point incase someone has started up a brand new e-commerce site selling cars or bits of space ship. :rolleyes:;)

Anyway, I must admit, I've learnt a few things about paypal from these various threads so I'm glad this thread has gone as it has done.:|:|:| What I'm saying is its dangerous to base facts on one type of buyer but give generalised advice nevertheless which is what I think you have tended to do...
Well I'm glad you found it of some use.
 
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As a buyer -give me paypal any day.

If there was a list of x amount of other payment options I would choose paypal.

I have even stopped buying from sites, if I find they do not have this as a payment option.

I do not want to me messing around filling in card details (of which I have had my account hacked) when I have used this form of payment.

I know it costs you the sellers money to offer this service, but hey, what we would know, if you put your price up slightly to cover this.

I say the protection that using paypal as a buyer offers, along with the ease of use, is what the Internet should be about.

Please us, the buyers - you need us.

Poppy
 
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then paypal needs to do what it can to get a better image as lots of people associate it with Ebay and therefore view it negatively. Its enlightening to see so many people in favour of it and I cannot argue against it being a quicker transaction than a credit card.
 
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then paypal needs to do what it can to get a better image as lots of people associate it with Ebay and therefore view it negatively. Its enlightening to see so many people in favour of it and I cannot argue against it being a quicker transaction than a credit card.

I am not sure that is stricly true about being associated with Ebay, as more and more mainstream sites are offering paypal.

And, if this is the case - is it really a problem?

I have been using paypal for years, I do not have a bee in my bonnet about them.

The service they offer works - from a customer point of view!

I do not see them going away or their custom base diminishing.

Poppy
 
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As a buyer -give me paypal any day.

If there was a list of x amount of other payment options I would choose paypal.

I have even stopped buying from sites, if I find they do not have this as a payment option.

I do not want to me messing around filling in card details (of which I have had my account hacked) when I have used this form of payment.

I know it costs you the sellers money to offer this service, but hey, what we would know, if you put your price up slightly to cover this.

I say the protection that using paypal as a buyer offers, along with the ease of use, is what the Internet should be about.

Please us, the buyers - you need us.

Poppy

Nice post Poppy. You're not alone from what I've seen and this is why I made the thread in the first place. :)
 
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As a buyer -give me paypal any day.

If there was a list of x amount of other payment options I would choose paypal.

I have even stopped buying from sites, if I find they do not have this as a payment option.

I do not want to me messing around filling in card details (of which I have had my account hacked) when I have used this form of payment.

I know it costs you the sellers money to offer this service, but hey, what we would know, if you put your price up slightly to cover this.

I say the protection that using paypal as a buyer offers, along with the ease of use, is what the Internet should be about.

Please us, the buyers - you need us.

Poppy

quite agree the customer is always right .

Seems a lot of sellers seem to have an arrogant attitude towards buyers.

Just remember its the buyers who allow you to earn your living in such an easy manner.;)

Earl
 
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