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Joe E
26th February 2009, 20:16
Hi Everyone
Just a quick message to say thank-you to Brannan of 2DOG I took up his offer of £39 for logo design and I have to say what a fantastic service.
I'm quite fussy about stuff like this and he was patient, attentitive and speedy to my requirements.
If you want a fast, reliable and professional service look no further.
Joe E
:D
Eagle
26th February 2009, 20:33
Good stuff, can we see it? :)
Michelle Carvill
27th February 2009, 10:15
Good stuff, can we see it? :)
I'd like to see it. Having a business where we provide a very competitive price for high quality corporate branding and logo creation via our http://www.logotastic.co.uk online solution - so I'm always VERY skeptical about logo designs offered at (sorry, what I think are ridiculous prices) - Design Week's conservative guide for hourly fees for artworkers is £17-28 ph - and for designers £35-50 (most of our competitors charge at least £75 ph to client) and so - at £39 for a logo - is it clip art - or hand crafted - and if hand crafted, by who - professionals... (if so, what a sell out - or perhaps a new business generation serious loss leader!).
Sorry - but as you can tell, I get really irked by 'anyonewithphotoshopcanbeadesigner' designers...
Michelle
Joe E
27th February 2009, 10:31
I can only speak as I find , I'm not in the profession so wouldn't know what would be classed as a competitive rate for whatever.
All I can say is 2DOG were professional in every way they responded to every request from me quickly and without reserve.
I've got a logo now that I'm happy with, it might not be everybody's cup of tea but it will suffice for me.
I have tried to link it on here but it won't let me I don't have it uploaed to my site as yet (have been working) its on my avatar incedentally as you can see its small and would like it bigger how do get it to fit do I need to use Paint Shop Pro or something?
Is it likely if I did manage to get it on here that it might get pulled apart rightly or wrongly saying its this or that?
Regards
Joe E
I'd like to see it. Having a business where we provide a very competitive price for high quality corporate branding and logo creation via our http://www.logotastic.co.uk online solution - so I'm always VERY skeptical about logo designs offered at (sorry, what I think are ridiculous prices) - Design Week's conservative guide for hourly fees for artworkers is £17-28 ph - and for designers £35-50 (most of our competitors charge at least £75 ph to client) and so - at £39 for a logo - is it clip art - or hand crafted - and if hand crafted, by who - professionals... (if so, what a sell out - or perhaps a new business generation serious loss leader!).
Sorry - but as you can tell, I get really irked by 'anyonewithphotoshopcanbeadesigner' designers...
Michelle
SLF
27th February 2009, 11:07
Joe - its like this, youre a callcentre professional yes? so can a student with 6 months experience manage a call centre as well as you?
Would you hire someone like you to run your call centre if you owned one, or to make your recruitment sales calls, or would you hire your mother in law who used to work in a taxi rank 2hrs an evening and has telephone experience?
Thats the point these pro's are trying to make.
silver
27th February 2009, 14:49
Joe, you are happy with your logo and pleased with the service you received...that's what's important...
Alison
SLF
27th February 2009, 14:51
Joe, you are happy with your logo and pleased with the service you received...that's what's important...
Alison
no you're so wrong on that alison, that is not what is important...whats important is the logo's effect on the business, not whether the OP likes it.
Thats like saying, do you like your staff, great, doesnt matter if theyre crap at the job, as long as you like them!
Eagle
27th February 2009, 14:57
...whats important is the logo's effect on the business, not whether the client likes it.
Have to agree there. That's the acid test.
Lasting Designs
27th February 2009, 15:16
Have to agree there. That's the acid test.
I'd have to say that the caveat to this being that the owner of the logo needs to like it too, they need to believe in the brand they are creating, its very difficult, to feel that you've an ugly face AND be confident in your own skin (not something I've experienced, but I can do empathy ;)).
You as a designer need to sell your concept within their design brief, in turn they need to believe in your vision and reasons why. The main issue here though being its clear that corners are being cut to produce all this and make a living wage.
30two Design
27th February 2009, 16:08
As ever, the old adage holds true... :D
"You Get What You Pay For"
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x21/jamodu/tony.jpg
Completely agree with the above. You should love your new logo. It should look great and be effective for your business, but it should also be adaptable, flexible and technically useable in a wide variety of situations - and that aspect is something that cheaper designs can sometimes miss.
I can't comment on Brannan of 2DOG as I haven't seen their work or dealt with them, but if your logo fulfils the criteria above and you're happy with it, then great stuff - sounds like you got yourself a good deal!
Sorry - but as you can tell, I get really irked by 'anyonewithphotoshopcanbeadesigner' designers...
Michelle
Yep, I know what you mean. I get irked by people hijacking threads and dropping blatant links to their business ;)
Joe E
27th February 2009, 17:16
Very valid point made however there is a flipside to this, for many years I worked in recruitment only for a couple of companies; 2 Blue chips with all the big fancy offices all over the UK, the size of a shopping mall etc etc and 1 independent, now when I worked for the independent firstly I could make just as much money sometimes even more, give my clients good value as they weren't paying for said above extravagances and had more flexibility as there weren't layers and layers of middle managers such a/c managers, support call centres and the like.
And most importantly my expertise, innovation and dedication to my clients didn't deteriorate infact it grew because it wasn't getting lost in red tape and overbigness
So my point is yes the pro's on here have questioned the value I have may or may not of got, but I asked for what I got and it was all done in the way I would expect it to be done.
I am not not an expert on logo design but I very capable of judging whether a deal is good or bad.
The logo itself is what I want for this time, as the business grows the business may outgrow the logo if thats happens then it will be dealt with at that time.
All I can say for now is that I asked for something it was delivered in the way that I thought warrented some recognition hence the reason for starting the thread and I'm happy with the end result.
For those that have said its more important re the effect on the business I couldn't agree more I believe that too but I also believe (I might be right I might be wrong) that what I have is what I need and I am happy with for all the reasons mentioned.
To 30two Design: Thanks for your post that picture is cracking LOL
Many thanks to all
Joe E
Joe - its like this, youre a callcentre professional yes? so can a student with 6 months experience manage a call centre as well as you?
Would you hire someone like you to run your call centre if you owned one, or to make your recruitment sales calls, or would you hire your mother in law who used to work in a taxi rank 2hrs an evening and has telephone experience?
Thats the point these pro's are trying to make.
Lasting Designs
27th February 2009, 17:57
If your happy then fair enough, but us design snobs hate seeing companies pay twice for what should be a long lasting service. I can't speak for other designers here, but I work alone in my garden studio, you might call it a shed. The creative process isn't an exclusive process for posh offices and the top of the range equipment. The true designer works beyond what looks nice, there are the Who, why, where, what, how and when questions that need research and understanding that gives you an identity that requires doing once. You mention outgrowing your logo, so I trust a re-brand is on the cards, this being the case, you've answered the point we make. Re brands are not only expensive, they can be so inconvienient, just when a rival pitches up next to you having followed the rules of the Jungle where they've been professional right from the beginning and you then become the company playing catch up.
Like I said, if your happy then great, would still love to see it though...
30two Design
27th February 2009, 18:16
I work alone in my garden studio, you might call it a shed.
Working in a garden shed on the Isle of Wight. Alan...that sounds like my idea of heaven! :)
Joe E
27th February 2009, 18:30
I appreciate if you are genuine, talented and have the ethos of building lasting relationships with clients then that highly commendable.
in my case I saw the offer I made an enquiry I paid my money on understanding the terms of the offer, if I wasn't happy I could have pulled out at any moment and had my money refunded but that wasn't necessary as I was pleased with the service I was receiving and the final design.
Now the points you stated, the example I gave about my recruitment days were just a response to a previous post that was essentially asking me would I let inexperienced and inappropiate people run my business for me
It wasn't an assumption that all designers who charge above a certain amount work in plush offices with brass plaques outside the door.
I know that there are many talented people out there who work in modest enviroments who produce sterling work, I dare say there are a fair few on this forum.
I don't remember ever saying that a re brand was on the cards all I said if some point in the future if the business has gone in a direction that may require a tweak or new a logo then that will be dealt with at the time it dosen't.
So because of this I don't think 'I've answered the point we make' in the way you are thinking.
I think the mistake I made here was to praise someone for a good job well done but not stopping to think how much I paid for it because it was cheaper than the market should allow (i'm assuming here because that's the impression I'm getting)
At first if I could of pasted the logo on screen for everyone to see I would have done.
However now I'm not so sure as I'm sure faults will be found and I don't have a problem with that it's just that I never started this thread as a fault finding one.
Regards
Joe E
If your happy then fair enough, but us design snobs hate seeing companies pay twice for what should be a long lasting service. I can't speak for other designers here, but I work alone in my garden studio, you might call it a shed. The creative process isn't an exclusive process for posh offices and the top of the range equipment. The true designer works beyond what looks nice, there are the Who, why, where, what and when questions that need research and understanding that gives you an identity that requires doing once. You mention outgrowing your logo, so I trust a re-brand is on the cards, this being the case, you've answered the point we make. Re brands are not only expensive, they can be so inconvienient, just when a rival pitches up next to you having followed the rules of the Jungle where they've been professional right from the beginning and you then become the company playing catch up.
Like I said, if your happy then great, would still love to see it though...
Kev Jaques
27th February 2009, 18:31
As Lasting Designs pointed out, you want your logo to represent your business for its life and beyond its life (i..e carry on memories of your business even if it ceases to trade)
You only have to look at some of the big companies who have had their logos for 50+ years and have not changed (ok there might be subtle changes depending on campaigns etc...) but on the whole a logo should be for life and represent the companies values/persona
You only have to look at some of the big companies now rebranding, it is costing them a fortune.
But if your happy with what you have got then your the ambassador for it
NetSells
8th March 2009, 12:51
Thanks for the recognition Chris !
I charge what I charge because I love what I do. And this is why, because I leave happy customers, which makes me happy and my (student run!) business grow.
If anybody is interested in hearing more about our small business take a look at www.2dog.co.uk. Or just send me an email at sales@2dog.co.uk.
Cheers Guys :D
Eagle
8th March 2009, 12:55
I charge what I charge because I love what I do.
Pretty much the same here. My accountant nags me that I should really charge more (I suspect he knows my competitors do) but that's the way things are. :)
NetSells
8th March 2009, 13:05
Pretty much the same here. My accountant nags me that I should really charge more (I suspect he knows my competitors do) but that's the way things are. :)
I have seen your work, your brilliant, you probably should !!!!!
Eagle
8th March 2009, 13:25
Aww, Thanks. :) Your work's good too.
NetSells
8th March 2009, 13:31
Shall we Hug?
lol !
Eagle
8th March 2009, 14:06
That's probably taking things a little far. :D :p
yeah, but we don't want gavin dowie ending up in guantanamo bay now do we?
G. Lasagne
8th March 2009, 19:18
Can i ask people's opinion on my logo please, i always get good comments but maybe its a novelty a plumber having a logo, i dont know. I paid £120 and that was for the design of the logo, letterhead, comp slips and business cards.
cheers www.gasangelheating.co.uk
Eagle
8th March 2009, 19:25
It's 'ok' but you'll lose a great deal of detail when reduced for print, say on a business card.
Just a small observation. Isn't an 0800 number free?. I would highlight that fact on your front page.
PS: I know dicksh1t about websites etc.. just an observation.
G. Lasagne
8th March 2009, 20:53
It's fine on print, with regards to the 0800 number i just assume everybody know it's free.
It's fine on print, with regards to the 0800 number i just assume everybody know it's free.
You would be surprised as to how many people dont know. Never assume.. shout the FREE bit from the rooftops! ( ask your over 65 customers as to how many know this.. a good survey for you)
G. Lasagne
8th March 2009, 21:22
im thinking about removing it completely to be honest, i have heard that a free phone can reduce conversions, because people assume your expensive. Any thoughts?
Matt1959
8th March 2009, 21:33
If I were serving a local area, I wouldnt use an 0800 number. A normal STD number gives confidence that your firm is local to the caller ie the caller recognises the local code. Also, for me at any rate, any tradesman using any 08 number inc freebies smacks of those AAAAAAA11111111 oufits that cover a huge area but dont' want to give that fact away.
(not that i think your outfit is in anyway dodgy dave:))
and yep I would concur with the view that some doddery OAPS once they see anything with 08, they run a mile....
G. Lasagne
8th March 2009, 21:35
Sold, im removing it tomorrow mate, they dont callme dodgy dave for nothing matt;)
But you have a local number advertised too!.. why remove the 0800?.. gives punters the choice
G. Lasagne
8th March 2009, 21:47
But you have a local number advertised too!.. why remove the 0800?.. gives punters the choice
yeah matt, what do you say to that mate;)
Moreover.. your site clearly shows your address etc.. there is nothing dodgy about that!!!
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I'd like to see it. Having a business where we provide a very competitive price for high quality corporate branding and logo creation via our http://www.logotastic.co.uk online solution - so I'm always VERY skeptical about logo designs offered at (sorry, what I think are ridiculous prices) - Design Week's conservative guide for hourly fees for artworkers is £17-28 ph - and for designers £35-50 (most of our competitors charge at least £75 ph to client) and so - at £39 for a logo - is it clip art - or hand crafted - and if hand crafted, by who - professionals... (if so, what a sell out - or perhaps a new business generation serious loss leader!).
Sorry - but as you can tell, I get really irked by 'anyonewithphotoshopcanbeadesigner' designers...
Michelle