your opinion - government to give unemployed money to start up buisnesses

[APTBLINDS]

Hi

i just heard on radio today that the government are to give the long term unemployed (correct me if i am wrong, i think its over 6 months) £2500 to start up a business

I know that this is going to be topical

what is your opinion on this

Adrian

[Chauffeur Centre]

A total waste of tax payers money!

If they are unable to find a job for 6 months+, how on earth are they going to start a business?

[Mattonella Tile Studio]

I'd agree in the main with the above - you can't just start any old business with £2500. I don't believe that everybody can start a sucessful business, so unless there is a criteria for who is eligible (other than just being long term unemployed), then a lot of them will fail.

[Allan123]

Agreed, plus that fact that you can get roughly that figure, and more in grant's from your local Council / Enterprise trust if you have a viable business plan. So why wait 6 month's? If you have the right attitude and get up and go, you would be up and running well before your 6 month's had passed.

[YODspica]

A total waste of tax payers money!

If they are unable to find a job for 6 months+, how on earth are they going to start a business?

it seems you don't have much life experience, you would be surprised how many people would be successful at running a business rather then taking stupid orders.

[Pembrokeshire Directory]

Hi there the Government are giving Companies up to £2,500 for each long-term jobless recruit they employ

[GaryMc]

Its £2,500 to every business that takes someone on who has been unemployed for a while (more than 6 months)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7823389.stm

[Cromulent]

I thought this was what the Princes Trust was for? Don't they specialise in low interest rate loans for the unemployed looking to start a business?

As for the rest I don't think it is necessarily a waste of money. People can be unemployed for any number of reasons. It is not always just because they are unskilled or lazy and quite a few never claim benefits.

At the end of the day there is an equal chance of success between an unemployed person and an employed person.

[9_feet_tall]

Am I just coming over all cynical, or is this another one of those government "schemes" that no-one is actually going to qualify for? I wonder how many hoops you going to need to jump through to get a penny out of them.

Cheers,
Simon.

[wordsinart]

...and, I wonder how much it will cost in buying in private sector companies to adminster any such scheme

[wilfredw]

How long are you to keep them employed?

[stuart bloomsbury]

Does anyone know where I can find out the finer details (and catches) of this scheme.

[spencergate]

Hi

i just heard on radio today that the government are to give the long term unemployed (correct me if i am wrong, i think its over 6 months) £2500 to start up a business

I know that this is going to be topical

what is your opinion on this

Adrian

I first became self employed in a similar type of scheme back in the 1980s. It wasn't a lump sum, but I received Enterprise Allowance, I think it was £40 per week for either 6 months or a year, I forget. I hadn't been unemployed for 6 months, but I had just been made redundant by a company that was going bust fast, and looked on starting a in business myself as a much more positive step.

20+ years on I've still got a roof over my head, and still going :)

[spencergate]

Oh, and having said that, I thought the current proposed scheme is to give employers the £2500 when taking on a person who has been unemployed for more than 6 months ..

[Esk247]

well i hope it isn't for any tom, dick or barney....i was on job seekers allowance when my college course ended and i was without any form of work, i had to cover the cost of travelling to interviews and car insurance etc...i set up in business and got an extra £15 per week but i had to provide a full business plan, under go a years mentoring with business link and had to ask them for cheques/bank details etc before i could buy anything.

[Cromulent]

well i hope it isn't for any tom, dick or barney....i was on job seekers allowance when my college course ended and i was without any form of work, i had to cover the cost of travelling to interviews and car insurance etc...i set up in business and got an extra £15 per week but i had to provide a full business plan, under go a years mentoring with business link and had to ask them for cheques/bank details etc before i could buy anything.

The government seem pretty tight at the moment when it comes to not giving money out to people who don't deserve it. Especially with the current economic situation and how much money they have lost reducing the VAT rate.

[YODspica]

if anyone thinks £2500 is too much to give away by the government, if a business is successful how much will they pay back in tax ? surely more than £2500 throughout its existence.

[PaddyPawsPetServices]

I got the same via the Princes Trust...would these people have to pay the money back and jump through the same hoops that I did?

[Cromulent]

I got the same via the Princes Trust...would these people have to pay the money back and jump through the same hoops that I did?

The OP got the issue confused (as did I). The government gives the money to businesses for employing the long term unemployed. Not the unemployed themselves.

[PaddyPawsPetServices]

oh...gotya!

I thought it was giving unemployed money to start a Biz...thanks for that!

[directmarketingadvice]

The OP got the issue confused (as did I). The government gives the money to businesses for employing the long term unemployed. Not the unemployed themselves.

Someone on the dole might get £700 per month in various benefits.

(assuming a single person)

If a company gets £100 a month to employ them, that's a saving of £600 plus they might also be paying tax and NI.

Isn't that a good deal for the country?

... well, maybe... as I said on another thread, it depends if it's going to actually increase the number of jobs, rather than just shift employment opportunities from the short-term unemployed to the long-term unemployed.

Steve

[The Pines]

If a company gets £100 a month to employ them, that's a saving of £600 plus they might also be paying tax and NI.

Isn't that a good deal for the country?

... well, maybe... as I said on another thread, it depends if it's going to actually increase the number of jobs, rather than just shift employment opportunities from the short-term unemployed to the long-term unemployed.
Steve

I suspect that this is another Govt initiative to keep the spiralling unemployment numbers artifically lower.

Let's face it. If someone is on the scratcher for over six months they're already in the mindset of a doleite. Their plan is to increase the number of benefits they're entitled to, not get a job.

The long term unemployed are long term unemployed because they can't be arsed to work. They couldn't be arsed to work during Labour's boom years, they won't be arsed to work during the bust years either.

If the Govt really does want to get unemployed people back into work then they should look at the RECENTLY unemployed - skilled people from the likes of JCB, etc. These people are out of work through no fault of their own, and are hard working, decent people with families, mortgages, etc. These people WANT to work.

These are people who can actually make something of value, that can be exported to other countries. If we can start manufacturing quality goods again, and successfully export them, then the balance of trade will be so high that the 3% of people who don't want to work can remain a statistic, and a leech on society.

They can remain in their stinking pits - they don't want to work, they will be useless in any modern work environment, and probably cause more harm than good. All in the cause of another Govt quango...

[Chris Ashdown]

I am silly, I thought companies laid off staff in the resessions or at least managed with the numbers they had, and then expand the company when things got better

[seasonsonline]

I am proper sick of benefit hoarders getting handouts from here there and every chuffing where!!

I had to fight tooth and nail to get my business grant, and it took me 3 years!! Why did it take me 3 years?- Because when I applied 3 years ago the Prince's trust and other initiatives were giving their money to, "People on benefits long term", "single parents" and people "Coming out of prison".- This is why I was refused a grant 3 years ago, and if I hadn't been refused the grant I would probably be in a far better situation than now!!

What a joke. I've worked since I was 15 and haven't put a foot wrong in the eyes of the law!!! It really gets on my tits. Anyway, I know it's not exactly relevant to this thread, but I had to get it off my chest....aahh, feel better now.

[Cromulent]

I am proper sick of benefit hoarders getting handouts from here there and every chuffing where!!

So people trying to get off benefits by setting up their own business annoy you? What would you rather? They keep claiming benefits?

The Princes Trust is not a benefit, it is a loan that must be repaid in full, albeit with a low interest rate. Personally I am happy to see that the Princes Trust offers such a service to allow people to work for themselves and not need to rely on the state to live.

Plus you have misunderstood the thread anyway. The government is not giving money to the unemployed but to the business that employs them.

It also might be worth noting that is not as easy as people seem to think to get benefits. Personally I have never claimed benefits in my life but I know people who have and the benefits agencies don't let them rest until they get a job, even cutting off benefits if they refuse work.

[seasonsonline]

So people trying to get off benefits by setting up their own business annoy you? What would you rather? They keep claiming benefits?

The Princes Trust is not a benefit, it is a loan that must be repaid in full, albeit with a low interest rate. Personally I am happy to see that the Princes Trust offers such a service to allow people to work for themselves and not need to rely on the state to live.

Plus you have misunderstood the thread anyway. The government is not giving money to the unemployed but to the business that employs them.

It also might be worth noting that is not as easy as people seem to think to get benefits. Personally I have never claimed benefits in my life but I know people who have and the benefits agencies don't let them rest until they get a job, even cutting off benefits if they refuse work.

I didn't misunderstand the thread! -I just wanted to join the band wagon like others on this thread, and let some of my feelings rip about Benefit hoarders!!!

The word "Hoarders" is key in this post. I know there are many people on benefits that are in unfortunate circumstances and genuinely seek re- employment. I don't have a problem with that!!

BUT, I do have a problem with the thousands of people that are just too bone idle to get off their backsides and take as much money as they can. AND, believe me, there are thousands upon thousands of these people. AND, to conclude on my initial post.- I was working at a market 3 years ago, and a lad (around 20-25) was setting up his stall next to me. Got talking to me, and he had no problem bragging about his achievements. He said he had got funding from business link after being on JSA and they had bought all his stall (something I couldn't afford at the time), they had bought him a laptop, van (yes a chuffing van to get to work) and even gone to the lengths of giving him hand outs to buy warm clothes for the market. He was selling 2nd hand books, to which he said they had even given him money for his stock. Oh, but he had managed to pocket that and get the stock from his old man who was also a trader.

He stood at the market all day and sold 2 books worth a quid. He had no motivation to do anything because he told me he was only here incase they checked up on him!- He was blatantly screwing the system for all it's worth. AND this was all just after I had been refused any help at all!! I saw him at a couple of markets for a couple of months and then he vanished.- probably back to where he came from.

SO, sorry for my initial post, and maybe I should have been more specific, but my only intention from the start was to have a go at the UK's thousand of "Wastes of space". The ones that take from society and give NOTHING back (except a few 2nd hand books!). So, for the ones that just want to suck our money from any source they can find without any positive outcome (except a few bottles of white lightening, a laptop and a van),- GET A JOB YOU LAZY SON OF A BxTCH LOSERS. (Would use stronger language, but don't want to rock the boat).

Post over!

[directmarketingadvice]

I'm pretty appalled by some of the comments on this thread.

The benefits system was set up to help British people that are, for one reason or another, struggling to earn a living.

And, while some people who are long-term unemployed are trying to avoid working, there are others that are, for one reason or another, unable to find work.

To suggest that they should all be written of as being morally bankrupt or lazy is, IMO, a load of arrogant nonsense.

Personally, I'm glad I live in a country that'll look after those that need help. And, if some people take advantage of the system, it's just a cost of having a system like that in the first place.

Steve

[dingbat]

Well, I'll add my tuppence worth.

The majority of long term unemployed people, in my experience are either those who are doing cash in hand and signing on, just sitting on benefits or those who don't want to work for less than x...or feel that certain jobs are below them.

[Cromulent]

I suspect that this is another Govt initiative to keep the spiralling unemployment numbers artifically lower.

Let's face it. If someone is on the scratcher for over six months they're already in the mindset of a doleite. Their plan is to increase the number of benefits they're entitled to, not get a job.

The long term unemployed are long term unemployed because they can't be arsed to work. They couldn't be arsed to work during Labour's boom years, they won't be arsed to work during the bust years either.

If the Govt really does want to get unemployed people back into work then they should look at the RECENTLY unemployed - skilled people from the likes of JCB, etc. These people are out of work through no fault of their own, and are hard working, decent people with families, mortgages, etc. These people WANT to work.

These are people who can actually make something of value, that can be exported to other countries. If we can start manufacturing quality goods again, and successfully export them, then the balance of trade will be so high that the 3% of people who don't want to work can remain a statistic, and a leech on society.

They can remain in their stinking pits - they don't want to work, they will be useless in any modern work environment, and probably cause more harm than good. All in the cause of another Govt quango...

Sure there are people out there who exploit the system but then there are with any system. I doubt every single person who has been unemployed for longer than 6 months is bone idle. Some don't even claim benefits.

Nice generalisation though.