Cost for in house web person?

[adventurelife]

I am thinking of taking on a full time web person.

Not looking for years of experience just someone who can do the following

1. Update websites
2. Link build
3. Produce content
4. Be able to use all online tools to work with photography and video
5. Have a bit of marketing ability
6. Be able to grow into role and take on more web marketing responsibility

What is the salary range out there?

[voiceswf]

Hi,

I would outsource this work; www.studentgems.com (http://www.studentgems.com) might be a solution for you. As your web person, will probably turn into web people. Students are fresh, and know the latest trends etc...

Kind Regards,

Voiceswf

[admagic]

I am thinking of taking on a full time web person.

Not looking for years of experience just someone who can do the following

1. Update websites
2. Link build
3. Produce content
4. Be able to use all online tools to work with photography and video
5. Have a bit of marketing ability
6. Be able to grow into role and take on more web marketing responsibility

What is the salary range out there?


The problem will be marketing..to get a good marketer full time would cost big numbers, and you dont really need fulll time on that.

My suggestion would be you buy the marketing skills on a long term (say) day a week basis.......

And maybe a more junior person full time - combining the technical skills, and with a passion for writing - who can gradually acquire the marketing stuff. Most of those jobs you could also subcontract over elance too.

[adventurelife]

The problem will be marketing..to get a good marketer full time would cost big numbers, and you dont really need fulll time on that.

My suggestion would be you buy the marketing skills on a long term (say) day a week basis.......

And maybe a more junior person full time - combining the technical skills, and with a passion for writing - who can gradually acquire the marketing stuff. Most of those jobs you could also subcontract over elance too.

We are used to outsourcing because as a rule that is my preference, however, sometimes it becomes a full time job managing all the outsource projects! During our season we may have 30 plus projects being worked on via outsource.

At present I do all the web/marketing for the businesses and apart from strategy it is my last role in the company. I am looking to free up my time to focus on strategy and opening/aquiring more companies.

Therefore, I have a preference for an in house role that I can guide

Considered using an outsource marketer but to date have not found one that is has knowledge of our industry and who can convince me they can deliver. 1 day a week also is not a lot of time for the amount of work I have planned.

[DuaneJackson]

HAve you looked into taking a graduate from a local uni for a year?

[adventurelife]

HAve you looked into taking a graduate from a local uni for a year?

How does that work? Do they go back to the Uni after the year ?

[DuaneJackson]

I'm not 100% sure TBH.

We got a letter from Kent uni offering multimedia students. Usually we bin that kind of thing as we don't have the time for it. But we have a few little projects that'd easily get done in the year.

So we're going for it.

[Comspec]

When I worked in IT in the local NHS Trust, we took a student each year from uni, on their year work experience. They were rubbish for a couple of months until they found their feet, but man they paid their worth by the time their year was up.

They are yours for the majority of the year (term time?) and they are easily paid iirc.

[Steve2507]

We are in a similar boat to you. We are looking at taking on someone full time but we are looking at it from a slightly different angle.

We run approx 12 sites, so the person we take on will only be on the marketing side at first. So they do the link building, article writing and promotion for our main sites. Over time they will then move into the design role.

Considered using an outsource marketer but to date have not found one that is has knowledge of our industry and who can convince me they can deliver. 1 day a week also is not a lot of time for the amount of work I have planned.that is our biggest problem as well:(

[Greg Findley]

I would have loved an opportunity like that, a mix of design and online marketing and a role where you can really see results from the work you put in! I'm sure there's some young, eager web entrepreneur suitable for the job near you adventurelife.

As for a salary that's a tough one.. could you not have some performance related pay structure?

[YODspica]

some companies will give you an excellent deal, and everything will be taken care of.

[admagic]

We are used to outsourcing because as a rule that is my preference, however, sometimes it becomes a full time job managing all the outsource projects! During our season we may have 30 plus projects being worked on via outsource.

At present I do all the web/marketing for the businesses and apart from strategy it is my last role in the company. I am looking to free up my time to focus on strategy and opening/aquiring more companies.

Therefore, I have a preference for an in house role that I can guide

Considered using an outsource marketer but to date have not found one that is has knowledge of our industry and who can convince me they can deliver. 1 day a week also is not a lot of time for the amount of work I have planned.

Ah much . Bigger scale than I thought!!

I would be very wary of any kind of student labour...tends to be OK on the geek stuff..for short term not long term projects ...but most are not completer/finishers, and tend to be technical wise and marketing dumb.

The day you start selling scottish rock climbing /mountaineering experiences ...I might start to get interested!!

Lovely place you live

[lex]

Hey,

If the pay is right i would consider the job :D

Ill send you a PM anyway.

[adventurelife]

We are in a similar boat to you. We are looking at taking on someone full time but we are looking at it from a slightly different angle.

We run approx 12 sites, so the person we take on will only be on the marketing side at first. So they do the link building, article writing and promotion for our main sites. Over time they will then move into the design role.

that is our biggest problem as well:(

Life of small niche business. Maybe we could share:p lots of the clients I get seem to spend a lot of time involved in your industry;) Adrenalin makes people do funny things:D

[adventurelife]

Ah much . Bigger scale than I thought!!

I would be very wary of any kind of student labour...tends to be OK on the geek stuff..for short term not long term projects ...but most are not completer/finishers, and tend to be technical wise and marketing dumb.

The day you start selling scottish rock climbing /mountaineering experiences ...I might start to get interested!!

Lovely place you live

Ah admagic we are only a very small company group but then I class that against my history of running companies of acceptable size . Check my history as I am sure you can.

I started of as a climber and mountaineer and it is still my passion but I am yet to find a company that can get 500 people turning up on a day to go climbing ;) hence I do rafting.

[sirearl]

I started of as a climber and mountaineer and it is still my passion but I am yet to find a company that can get 500 people turning up on a day to go climbing ;) hence I do rafting.

Tell em you dropped this on the top and you will.:rolleyes::)

http://www.foxnews.com/images/228938/0_61_100906_diamond.jpg

Actually is that not a bad idea having a treasure hunt on top of everest

Earl

[admagic]

Ah admagic we are only a very small company group but then I class that against my history of running companies of acceptable size . Check my history as I am sure you can.

I started of as a climber and mountaineer and it is still my passion but I am yet to find a company that can get 500 people turning up on a day to go climbing ;) hence I do rafting.

I know it is off piste what you do.....but on a completely different theme - one thing you could try to duplicate to pad out winter months is the "tough guy" event down in birmingham way and it happens in Jan.....a similar one is the "nettle basher" held in june.

He charges a horrendous amount for tickets, keeps putting the price up to dissuade people from entering yet the fields get bigger all the time...hundreds of people paying tens of pounds each is nothing to be sneezed at....effectively a rural assault course.

Check it out!!

Mountain marathons are big business too

[adventurelife]

Tell em you dropped this on the top and you will.:rolleyes::)

http://www.foxnews.com/images/228938/0_61_100906_diamond.jpg

Actually is that not a bad idea having a treasure hunt on top of everest

Earl

What the hell are you still up for. I thought at your age you went to bed early? Where my mid age can go out then come in and still focus on a PC. ish !

[lex]

Well in answer to your question.

When looking at junior web developer positions, which is pretty much what this is i have found most people offering to pay £16,000 per year, roughly £8 an hour.

However they normally specify much higher reqiurements, ive seen people offering £16k for people with several years experience in ASP. Net and other things, its insane! How they expect to get anyone to work for them is beyond me.

[adventurelife]

I know it is off piste what you do.....but on a completely different theme - one thing you could try to duplicate to pad out winter months is the "tough guy" event down in birmingham way and it happens in Jan.....a similar one is the "nettle basher" held in june.

He charges a horrendous amount for tickets, keeps putting the price up to dissuade people from entering yet the fields get bigger all the time...hundreds of people paying tens of pounds each is nothing to be sneezed at....effectively a rural assault course.

Check it out!!

Mountain marathons are big business too


Agree about the mountain marathons I ran my first one in 84 came last but I was in the elite section of 18:p and the only one wearing boots and a rucksack that was full of food.

Read your pms I asked for some advice maybe help! I hear what you are saying, however todate the largest event we have run was 20000 people over 3 days . Got it completely wrong as I took a fixed fee for doing it paid by a council I should have went for a fee per customer but you live and learn.

[admagic]

Agree about the mountain marathons I ran my first one in 84 came last but I was in the elite section of 18:p and the only one wearing boots and a rucksack that was full of food.

Read your pms I asked for some advice maybe help! I here what you are saying, however todate the largest event we have run was 20000 people over 3 days . Got it completely wrong as I took a fixed fee for doing it paid by a council I should have went for a fee per customer but you live and learn.

Mountain marathons are a problem this time of year - because of the hypothermia risk/short days etc - and increasingly the nanny state, national trust land owners police etc etc

But do check out the "tough guy" model. It has a far more general appeal.....it is only a 2 hour event.

So wont involve mountain rescue, landowner permissions, (other than the land it runs on) overnight camps, police etc.

And I seem to remember that unless you apply early he charges £50+ gets around 500-1000 I think. Not a bad 1 day earner. The USP you could have is to do the same but on hillier ground.

I know some key figures in the FRA ( fell runners association) - and at least one MM organiser.....so could potentially help promoting an event, simply by getting flyers out to many of the other fell races - and adverts on the Fellrunning forum.

All sorts take part in the tough guy, fell runners, road runners, corporate teams. Some people use it for corporate bonding.People who have just dared each other....it has a real buzz about it.

I will come if the finish is in the Moulin inn in pitlochry - one of my favourite haunts around there!!

[admagic]

Read your pms I asked for some advice maybe help! .

Terribly sorry.....Only just noticed....I have been incredibly busy these last weeks.

Anyway..wifes just come back from christmas party...so bed time...

[sirearl]

What the hell are you still up for. I thought at your age you went to bed early? Where my mid age can go out then come in and still focus on a PC. ish !

Bloody ageism again.

Mods are like buses.:eek:

Although the body may have to be helped along with a few prescribed chemicals.

The mind just needs copious quantities of P.G.Tips.:)

Earl

[admagic]

Wow...the "tough guy" numbers are even more impressive than I thought adventurelife!!....

Get this...

Last year there were 3000 entrants who paid £100 each.
Thats not a bad days work....check it out on www.toughguy.co.uk (http://www.toughguy.co.uk)

And it is something you could mimic in scotland...

[Silky]

Hi,
I've recently been recruiting for a Design Coordinator and have been amazed at the number of cvs we received (the salary was around £21k). Lots of the applicants have webdesign as well as graphic design - we asked only for the latter. Unfortunately design is one of those areas that is often the first to go when a recession hits, it's so sad to see so many good designers struggling to find work.

I'd definitely recommend ringing a few key agencies in your area Adventure Life, if you give them an idea of the job in hand, they may be able to give you some idea of candidates available. I'd suggest a salary level yourself initially otherwise they'll talk you up and up to get the highest fee.

Silky

[adventurelife]

I would have loved an opportunity like that, a mix of design and online marketing and a role where you can really see results from the work you put in! I'm sure there's some young, eager web entrepreneur suitable for the job near you adventurelife.

As for a salary that's a tough one.. could you not have some performance related pay structure?

Yes I like performance based pay structures:) After all I have spent all my business life on one;)

[admagic]

On the marketing side, good marketers actually prefer performance related deals...

[adventurelife]

I will come if the finish is in the Moulin inn in pitlochry - one of my favourite haunts around there!!

We use the moulin a fair bit for clients and they promote us on their website and use our beer mats.

It is like a English pub but in Scotland if you get what I mean.

[adventurelife]

Wow...the "tough guy" numbers are even more impressive than I thought adventurelife!!....

Get this...

Last year there were 3000 entrants who paid £100 each.
Thats not a bad days work....check it out on www.toughguy.co.uk (http://www.toughguy.co.uk)

And it is something you could mimic in scotland...

Yep that beats my best 1 day takings just;)

I am going to have a look a lot deeper

[adventurelife]

Update

We are taking on a 9 month placement student in one of our smaller growing businesses and I start interviewing agencies tomorrow for the main core business requirement to see if a agency retainer may be better value

A bit of split testing to see how it goes

[sm1]

Great stuff - keep us updated, hope it works out :)