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Dan :: EZPZ Hosting
13th September 2008, 01:06
We run fairly strict fraud filters on all orders we receive, these are fully automatic and check things such as the distance from the IP address and the postal address that the clients signs up with

On the evening of Sept 11th we had an order come through that looked very suspicious, but still got through the filter. The distance between the IP and postal address was 900km, the domain ordered was a personal domain name but didn't match the name of the person that signed up. The address was also a PO Box in America that didn't seem to be a residential address.

To top it off, a ticket was submitted a few minutes after the order from an IP address in the UK.

Seeing all of the above, I suspended the account and emailed for ID, stating that if we hear nothing in 24 hours the account will be removed. Needless to say we didn't hear anything and it was cancelled.

The domain was automatically registered and cannot be deleted.
Tonight, someone at that UK IP address has emailed us asking if the domain name can be moved from that fraud account to a new account.

The person used their real name (matches the domain name) so am fairly sure they wont be trying it again.

Would I face any legal problems in moving this domain name, for a fee, to his account?

I have replied to his ticket asking for identification, with a scanned drivers license for example.

I have not come across this situation before so wanted some advice - I don't see anything wrong with it but thought i'd seek a second opinion.

Cheers,

Dan

Carl-CSNM
13th September 2008, 06:42
What is the TLD of the domain? I know with Enom you get a few days to cancel the domain and with .UK domains they can be cancelled at anytime.

It all sounds very dodgy to me, I'd not transfer it.

Dan :: EZPZ Hosting
13th September 2008, 10:34
It is a .com - I did contact Enom but they refused to cancel it. I might speak to them again.

stugster
13th September 2008, 13:32
I wouldn't transfer it mate. He had the opportunity to prove it wasn't a fraudulent account by submitting identification, he's failed to do that so the domain now belongs to you.

noidea
13th September 2008, 21:59
I wouldn't transfer it mate. He had the opportunity to prove it wasn't a fraudulent account by submitting identification, he's failed to do that so the domain now belongs to you.
Stick a price on the domain...

Stick a holding page with a button saying "buy" - to the left stick a javascript where the value goes up every second ;) hehe

noidea
13th September 2008, 22:09
We run fairly strict fraud filters on all orders we receive, these are fully automatic and check things such as the distance from the IP address and the postal address that the clients signs up with

On the evening of Sept 11th we had an order come through that looked very suspicious, but still got through the filter. The distance between the IP and postal address was 900km, the domain ordered was a personal domain name but didn't match the name of the person that signed up. The address was also a PO Box in America that didn't seem to be a residential address.

To top it off, a ticket was submitted a few minutes after the order from an IP address in the UK.

Seeing all of the above, I suspended the account and emailed for ID, stating that if we hear nothing in 24 hours the account will be removed. Needless to say we didn't hear anything and it was cancelled.

The domain was automatically registered and cannot be deleted.
Tonight, someone at that UK IP address has emailed us asking if the domain name can be moved from that fraud account to a new account.

The person used their real name (matches the domain name) so am fairly sure they wont be trying it again.

Would I face any legal problems in moving this domain name, for a fee, to his account?

I have replied to his ticket asking for identification, with a scanned drivers license for example.

I have not come across this situation before so wanted some advice - I don't see anything wrong with it but thought i'd seek a second opinion.

Cheers,

Dan
Don't worry about it I know it sounds dodgy but there is no law saying you cant register a domain in someone elses name. This happens a lot from reality tv shows - people buying domains looking to cash in.

For example, if I wanted to order billgates.com then I should without restriction. If I wrote something on there bad or pretended to be him then I would be liable for civil penalties such as defamation of character and libel but the sale of the domain name would be perfectly legal.

So deciding to transfer the domain from a paying customers account to someone else is very dodgy. They are the registered owner. This is not fraud at all.

stugster
14th September 2008, 16:43
P.S. I just got your hosting company name, I love it! :D

noidea
14th September 2008, 19:46
P.S. I just got your hosting company name, I love it! :D
hehe me too actually... :$