Next PR update

[Quan]

Does anyone here know when the next PR update is. Speculations are around February, but does anyone here have a better estimate than a rumor?

[duenna]

try here Quan http://www.seocompany.ca/pagerank/page-rank-update-list.html

currently 109 nine days since last PR update. Longest time between updates is 111 so it is soon!

cheers

David

[MarkPearson]

What will the update do?

Might we start to get listed higher in google?

How long does it take?

Might my site get a Pr? instead of just 0 (we are only 3 months old)

I have a few pr 5 and 6 sites linking to us and are in dmoz.

[duenna]

Hey Mark

You should receive PR of upto 3 for your website, more if you have plenty of those PR 5 babies! This is based on the fact that your website has a healthy cache in Google.

Google takes time to get higher listings can be 2 months to 6 months, a year in some circumstances.

At the moment Google does not identify your website as having any inbound links. It will do after this update.

What does the update do? Several things. At the moment Google is going through a complete update of its infrastructure. Known as Big Daddy, this update is being rolled out accross thier varioous data centres and is due to be complete by late March (ish). The thing is nothing is certain about the way it will effect listings. You can check your listing at a Big Daddy data centre. Go to 216.239.51.104 and search for your keywords there.

I think this update will move Google updates away from the current three monthly trend to a more continual process. The term sandbox will be bounded around the net even more so as webmasters have nothing to pin their listing hopes on other than the thoughts of a sandbox scheme. PR updates and back link updates may well be the same but we are unsure.

Hope I have helped Mark?

David

[MarkPearson]

Yes, thank you.

So potentially once we have a google pr rating , we should start listing higher for searches.

Also,would you say we are in googles sandbox now?

And once out of it, thats the time to make small changes to our site, meta tags to try and get higher listings?

[duenna]

Right alay the Therory behind Sandbox. It does not exist!

Its a term that has been coined by the SEO industry, following frustration of getting into the index on Google. Look at the facts 70 billion websites are spidered/crawled by Google. Plus more daily. There is no pool holding a myriad of websites waitig to get to the top of SERPS under specific keywords. That would be impossible.

Looking at your website Mark and the fact that it has a cache on google you are on your way to getting where you want to be.

Ignore PR! just get on with making sure your website is the best you can provide for your browsers. Search engines are after all for the user, Jo (I want a rose for my wife) Public. Make sure your content is original and fresh where possible. Taking your products into count, you could extend your listings by virtue of the unique quality of your products.

Another myth which is over played by SEO firms is the promote 5 keyword thing. Many SEO firms base their business modle arounf selling you the promotion of x amount of keywords. This is terrible if you consider that your website is more than just a bunch of keywords. Promote your website on the basis of content. That is your website is the searchable commodity you have the keywords are just a fraction of what you have to offer. So we have to think out of the box.

My website had 16,000 unique visitors last month (January 06) all becuase I am out of the box. They converted in either enquiries or clicks on adverts.

There is so much you can do with your beautiful website that will improve your listings. The first one and I am sure I have told you is to validate your code!

cheers

David

[DuaneJackson]

Right alay the Therory behind Sandbox. It does not exist!

....

My website had 16,000 unique visitors last month (January 06) all becuase I am out of the box.

Hi David,

Am I misreading your post or are you contradicting yourself?

Regardless of wether or not the sand box exists - over the last 12-18 months all the effects of the sand box have been seen again and again in diffeent sites. I agree there probably isn't an actual Sand Box, but something in the algo has made it appear that way and 'sand box' has just been a convenient phrase to sum up the effects of being downgraded becuase you are an unestablished site.

Please do tell me I'm talking utter rubbish if that's the case though : )

[DarrenC]

Forget Google PR - build a website based on content, easy to navigate, people will link to you, you'll move up the rankings.

Not as easy as it sounds - but your wasting your time worrying about PR.

[Quan]

Forget Google PR - build a website based on content, easy to navigate, people will link to you, you'll move up the rankings.

Not as easy as it sounds - but your wasting your time worrying about PR.

I argee, but it's really hard to get people to link to your site when it's pr:0 when you have a decent site at pr of say 3 or 4 then I think people will come to you. But when you are just starting out I think it would be necessary to work on PR rather wait for others to link to you.

[DarrenC]

Quan,

I think people who are not linking to you just because your site is PR0 are pretty narrowminded IMO. Everyone knows that a PR0 can become a PR5 with some work.

I do realise where you are coming from though.

Darren

[Quan]

Darren,

I curious did you get links to your site when your PR was 0? I also do seo for a living and most people I run into will only trade if my client's site has PR very close to their PR. I sure do wish there were more people who are open minded.

Quan.

[duenna]

Please do tell me I'm talking utter rubbish if that's the case though : )

Hello Duane!

You were not talking utter rubbish, in fact you explained the phenomenon better than I! Sandbox is convieniant term for the delay in listing.

The thing about the PR from 0. The whole page rank thing is about interesting content and what other people are linking to it and how important the site is. I dont think we should get to hung up on it!

As Darren stated base your website on content (Quality Original gooey content) easy to navigate and people will in time link to you.

Cheers

David

[click2britain]

Hi,

If your site is new & hard to do link exchange (Because you have PR0) then try submit your site into the FREE/Paid directories & Other Search Engines.

As you can always best to start with www.dmoz.org, www.yahoo.co.uk, www.gimpsy.com, www.botw.org & so on. Also, ensure you submit into the appropriate category.

This will provide some sort of jump start to your site & you can gradually build up from there.

Also remember as discussed above the "Content is the king" for any Search Engines.

I hope this helps...

[DarrenC]

Hi Lisa, I think I have seen you around - did you once post on digitalpoint?

Quan, I didn't have any problems, getting links. Not that I am saying you site isn't linkable, but if you have a website that is attractive, and has good unique content, then most people will link to it no matter the PR.

Nowadays though I link to people when requests come in, but I don't spend time asking for links - instead I write articles, or have them written for me, and submit them to article submission websites - the best way of getting links in my opinion.

Darren