For my own sanity, please read :-D

[MASSEY]

Ok... so alot of people might be getting bored with my seo questions for this specific topic. Birmingham Electrician,

Im focusing on this first after will be plumbing etc blah blah blah

It seems to me page 1 of google for that phrase Birmingham electrician is a mixture of directorys and Key word domains which play a part,

i registered on a vista template
http://www.candnbirminghamelectrician.co.uk/

Its crap i know but i was schooling myself on seo, it sits comfortably on page 5,:redface:

The page 1 of google fluctuates between the directorys and 3 keyphrase domains and every now and again a stupid american site.

There obviously is work coming from one of the sites as they have altered it recently and they run adwords alllll the time.
http://www.birminghamelectricians.vpweb.co.uk/
It goes against what people views on here are of copyright and the people on here who review peoples sites is it an anomaly :|

I have been playing around with www.electrician-birmingham.com (http://www.electrician-birmingham.com) its page 9 but will go page 5 easy when i fix the crap linkage,

But am i wasteing my time with that url? would i be better for my new site using the candnbirminghamelectrician.co.uk,

or reg'ing birminghamelectriciancandn.co.uk

opinions more than welcome

[sirearl]

Keep both sites www.electrician-birmingham.com (http://www.electrician-birmingham.com/) will come into its own the more time it is given and the more work you do on it.

Never a good idea to have just 1 site supporting a business IMHO.

Earl

[MASSEY]

Keep both sites www.electrician-birmingham.com (http://www.electrician-birmingham.com/) will come into its own the more time it is given and the more work you do on it.

Never a good idea to have just 1 site supporting a business IMHO.

Earl

I was just thinking about more than 1 site,

But is there a rule like something like 80% can be the same but 20% has to be different?

[sirearl]

I was just thinking about more than 1 site,

But is there a rule like something like 80% can be the same but 20% has to be different?

There is a rough rule floating about to avoid duplicate content.

But I would make the sites sustantially different .

I to avoid any possibility of duplicate and 2 so that you can spread your net wider with more keywords for your cachement area.

Earl

[WeblinkPlus]

It's not difficult to create non duplicate content, just take it a sentence, or even part of a sentence, at a time. You can also just open up theasaurus.com and change every second word :-)

These some free software, from memory 'dupfreepro', or similar, that helps you by showing two articles side by side and highlighting duplicate sentences. Also does checks online.

[VinceSamios]

If you are targetting a UK audience it is MUCH better to use a .co.uk, UNLESS you have the exact match keyword domain (electricianbirmingham.com for example)

[MASSEY]

It's not difficult to create non duplicate content, just take it a sentence, or even part of a sentence, at a time. You can also just open up theasaurus.com and change every second word :-)

These some free software, from memory 'dupfreepro', or similar, that helps you by showing two articles side by side and highlighting duplicate sentences. Also does checks online.

I will give them a go, thanks

[Big Pete]

Ok... so alot of people might be getting bored with my seo questions for this specific topic. Birmingham Electrician,

Im focusing on this first after will be plumbing etc blah blah blah

It seems to me page 1 of google for that phrase Birmingham electrician is a mixture of directorys and Key word domains which play a part,

i registered on a vista template
http://www.candnbirminghamelectrician.co.uk/

Its crap i know but i was schooling myself on seo, it sits comfortably on page 5,:redface:

The page 1 of google fluctuates between the directorys and 3 keyphrase domains and every now and again a stupid american site.

There obviously is work coming from one of the sites as they have altered it recently and they run adwords alllll the time.
http://www.birminghamelectricians.vpweb.co.uk/
It goes against what people views on here are of copyright and the people on here who review peoples sites is it an anomaly :|

I have been playing around with www.electrician-birmingham.com (http://www.electrician-birmingham.com) its page 9 but will go page 5 easy when i fix the crap linkage,

But am i wasteing my time with that url? would i be better for my new site using the candnbirminghamelectrician.co.uk,

or reg'ing birminghamelectriciancandn.co.uk

opinions more than welcome


This one www.electrician-birmingham.com (http://www.electrician-birmingham.com) best by a zillion miles ..

I Agree with Earl go with 2 , doubles your chances and gives fresh target terms etc..

[An Oasis]

If you are targetting a UK audience it is MUCH better to use a .co.uk, UNLESS you have the exact match keyword domain (electricianbirmingham.com for example)

Why? We use .coms (because we is posh) and it makes no difference, that I can see...this assumes that you are hosting on UK servers! But...prove me wrong.

[livewire883]

Thanks massey!!!! for the link to one of my websites the one that ends in vpweb.co.uk --Having now read your thread and followed the links to your sites it seems you have to copy and paste off my site for use on your own....its much better in the long run if you use your own content...better still ask me!!! Darren Livewire Group Oh nearly forgot there is a copy of my homepage and a copy of yours in the post 1st class,I am sure you will agree they are similar<<<<<sorry The Same.

[MASSEY]

Thanks massey!!!! for the link to one of my websites the one that ends in vpweb.co.uk --Having now read your thread and followed the links to your sites it seems you have to copy and paste off my site for use on your own....its much better in the long run if you use your own content...better still ask me!!! Darren Livewire Group

Sorry mate, ill try and get the link deleted,

I copied that content as a test and it failed i was just using your site as an example as it appears to rank very well for some unkown reason,

My apologies

[BusinessIdeas]

Massey: Good luck to you, you are obviously a tryer and you deserve to get there in the end, and I am sure you will - never give up - Gina :)

[livewire883]

There are no quick fixes-ours are ranked high because of time and because we spend lots of money with adwords.

[MASSEY]

There are no quick fixes-ours are ranked high because of time and because we spend lots of money with adwords.

I had a feeling it was to do with the age of the site, do you see a good return on your adwords spend?

[livewire883]

When i said ask me i was being sarcastic!!!!!! We employ a company to do our Adwords Campaign its not something you can "Play" with as it all costs ALOT of money...Time,Persistance,Patience,Relevent Content,Money,Hard Work,Monitoring...Google always change the goalposts its hard to keep up....Dont try too hard though or you might face legal action or worse still........somebody might instruct thier own IT company to take action!!!!
But think it was just a mistake on your part so am willing to leave it there...Good Luck with your SEO

[MASSEY]

When i said ask me i was being sarcastic!!!!!! We employ a company to do our Adwords Campaign its not something you can "Play" with as it all costs ALOT of money...Time,Persistance,Patience,Relevent Content,Money,Hard Work,Monitoring...Google always change the goalposts its hard to keep up....Dont try too hard though or you might face legal action or worse still........somebody might instruct thier own IT company to take action!!!!
But think it was just a mistake on your part so am willing to leave it there...Good Luck with your SEO

I dont blame you for not wanting to give any info away ;), you seem to know your stuff, its not like im in competition with you anyway as were not really after the emergency electrical and small jobs im after house rewires so its not as bad as it looks,

Maybe if i do get the new site im working on and i get jobs i dont want i could pass them to you who knows but good luck to you also.

[FLAUK]

Livewire is more forgiving than I would have been.

If you really think that duplicating a Vistaprint site on the same platform is somehow going to achieve the same rankings as them, then it's time to hire a professional as you obviously have no clue what you are doing.

[MASSEY]

Livewire is more forgiving than I would have been.

If you really think that duplicating a Vistaprint site on the same platform is somehow going to achieve the same rankings as them, then it's time to hire a professional as you obviously have no clue what you are doing.


I put it together ages ago when I was learning, I have learnt a lot since then I had a site nearly on page 2,

There was no copyright issue with that what so ever, I merely changed the content as a gesture of goodwill As I have no use for it anyway. The percentage of words were well below the amount required for it to be a copyright issue,

So flauk thankyou for your input but itreally is not needed :p

[BusinessIdeas]

Come on guys, give the guy a break, he was only trying to learn. Getting ideas from someone elses site and rewording them as a learning tool isnt a hanging offence!

[livewire883]

Massey you have already stated in another post on here you "Copied" the site......You Did...Word For Word...But you have alot of learning to do Nicolas as you are only 22....Director of a Company at such a young age.....Was it a Christmas Present ??? Just wondered as it was late November Last year!! You have not changed the content its still running as was,untill it gets re-cached or you delete it. Personally as the Website owner I am not happy with your disregard and could not careless approach.
We have to Protect our Interests as a Company and will do so by whatever means we see fit. Livewire Group.

What does nearly on page 2 mean..........Page 3 I assume!!!! Get a life,Word your own Websites

[FLAUK]

I put it together ages ago when I was learning, I have learnt a lot since then I had a site nearly on page 2,

Congrats - have you stopped learning now?

There was no copyright issue with that what so ever, I merely changed the content as a gesture of goodwill As I have no use for it anyway. The percentage of words were well below the amount required for it to be a copyright issue,

Plus you copied the design and layout.

So flauk thankyou for your input but itreally is not needed :p

Ok, continue with your scattergun approach and you might nearly reach page 1.

[Dawg]

I put it together ages ago when I was learning, I have learnt a lot since then I had a site nearly on page 2,

There was no copyright issue with that what so ever, I merely changed the content as a gesture of goodwill As I have no use for it anyway. The percentage of words were well below the amount required for it to be a copyright issue,

So flauk thankyou for your input but itreally is not needed :p

There are two defences for using copyrighted material: Public Interest and Fair Dealing. The Public Interest defence is not applicable here.

For Fair Dealing to apply: "Under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright,_Designs_and_Patents_Act_1988) (CDPA), fair dealing is limited to the following purposes: research and private study (both must be non-commercial), criticism, review, and news reporting (s. 29, 30, 178). Although not actually defined as a fair dealing, incidental inclusion of a copyrighted work in an artistic work, sound recording, film, broadcast or cable programme doesn't infringe copyright."

Copying and pasting content from one commercial web site to another is thus not covered by Fair Dealing either. Thus it would seem that copyright has been infringed, and indeed that the infringement has been admitted.

This is not just aimed at Massey's copyright infringement, but also at others who might be confused by his claim that: " The percentage of words were well below the amount required for it to be a copyright issue".
I think he might be confusing Google's approach to duplicate content with Copyright Law. Obviously they are not the same.

[harryboon]

Check you PM I sent you a message mate

[chrislyons]

There are no quick fixes-ours are ranked high because of time and because we spend lots of money with adwords.

Never think that if you spend a vast amount of money with google adwords it will get you to the top of the organic listings....it doesnt.

I have heard that google search and google adwords keep info from each other to prevent people paying there way to the top of the organic listings

[harryboon]

Never think that if you spend a vast amount of money with google adwords it will get you to the top of the organic listings....it doesnt.

I have heard that google search and google adwords keep info from each other to prevent people paying there way to the top of the organic listings

Totally agree adwords don't help you at all in organic results - its just makes Google billions every year.

Organic results come from serious content relevant one way links and many other tactics! Adwords waste of money if you ask me, most people will click on and then off again.

[livewire883]

What I meant was we are Top of the PPC because of budget and good keywords.....And around the top of organic listings because of time,Good Content,relevance....But still dont make the phone ring!!!!! We use one of the best teams in the business running our PPC and they do a good Job.

[harryboon]

We use one of the best teams in the business running our PPC and they do a good Job.

and the phone doesn't ring? what's your business mate, PM me

[livewire883]

Why do most people click on then off again? Does it not depend on what business you are providing...In my case Emergency Electrician,Plumber etc.

[MASSEY]

What I meant was we are Top of the PPC because of budget and good keywords.....And around the top of organic listings because of time,Good Content,relevance....But still dont make the phone ring!!!!! We use one of the best teams in the business running our PPC and they do a good Job.

Dawg duplicate content is a myth.

Darren are they might be doing a good job, but you need a site that converts, which is why I don't think I would be happy to run a ppc on a vista site,

I notice your ads are on the content network also which in my view is a waste of money.

[1weekSEO]

I notice your ads are on the content network also which in my view is a waste of money.

I agree.

Every PPC campaign I run has content network <off>

Unless there are specific commercial sites I add manually that competitors are on, or are highly relevant. Have had some success from You Tube interestingly...

[livewire883]

Never knew they were..Thanks..Not all our sites are vista print,theres good and bad with vista.

[chrislyons]

Adwords waste of money if you ask me, most people will click on and then off again.

I totally agree with you on this one

I believe people are getting too wise with web search results and they know if its at the top in a shaded box or if its down the right of the page its trying to sell me something I dont want.
Another factor with it is the way the eye focus's on the page, it will automatically focus on the organic listings, if they placed the PPC on the left side I am sure they would be more successful/popular

Could I just add for all you people who are thinking of PPC and more importantly paying for help with PPC so you can get to page 1, grab an add on called PPC webspy for Firefox, this not only gives me the Keywords the other company is using but the price they are paying per click, so all you need to do is use/alter a % of the keywords, 2£/p higher bid on PPC hey presto page 1 here we come.

its just makes Google billions every year.


The boffins need to pay their bills too.

[harryboon]

I totally agree with you on this one

I believe people are getting too wise with web search results and they know if its at the top in a shaded box or if its down the right of the page its trying to sell me something I dont want.
Another factor with it is the way the eye focus's on the page, it will automatically focus on the organic listings, if they placed the PPC on the left side I am sure they would be more successful/popular

Could I just add for all you people who are thinking of PPC and more importantly paying for help with PPC so you can get to page 1, grab an add on called PPC webspy for Firefox, this not only gives me the Keywords the other company is using but the price they are paying per click, so all you need to do is use/alter a % of the keywords, 2£/p higher bid on PPC hey presto page 1 here we come.



The boffins need to pay their bills too.

Someone who is talking sense!

[chrislyons]

theres good and bad with vista.

Mainly bad

[Dawg]

Dawg duplicate content is a myth.

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66359

Who am I to argue?

Google Webmasters (http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66359)

"In the rare cases in which Google perceives that duplicate content may be shown with intent to manipulate our rankings and deceive our users, we'll also make appropriate adjustments in the indexing and ranking of the sites involved. As a result, the ranking of the site may suffer, or the site might be removed entirely from the Google index, in which case it will no longer appear in search results."

Maybe Google just forgot to update their own site. Or something.

[MASSEY]

Who am I to argue?

Google Webmasters (http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66359)

"In the rare cases in which Google perceives that duplicate content may be shown with intent to manipulate our rankings and deceive our users, we'll also make appropriate adjustments in the indexing and ranking of the sites involved. As a result, the ranking of the site may suffer, or the site might be removed entirely from the Google index, in which case it will no longer appear in search results."

Maybe Google just forgot to update their own site. Or something.

I haven't got time to school you on Seo today dawg

[Dawg]

I haven't got time to school you on Seo today dawg

Gee, Google is wrong then?

And I've only being P1 for 4 years.

[MASSEY]

Gee, Google is wrong then?

And I've only being P1 for 4 years.

Yep ;), page 1 for your business name doesnt count :D

[360interactive]

I totally agree with you on this one

I believe people are getting too wise with web search results and they know if its at the top in a shaded box or if its down the right of the page its trying to sell me something I dont want.
Another factor with it is the way the eye focus's on the page, it will automatically focus on the organic listings, if they placed the PPC on the left side I am sure they would be more successful/popular

Stating (or agreeing) that adwords is a 'waste of money' is an incredible generalisation. I suspect it varies with certain industries, but so far this month our adwords campaign has converted over £2400, with a total spend of around £120.

Not bad return eh?

It's all in the details. A mixture of good landing pages and a well set up adwords account (Steve G on here did ours). So many people expect to get instant results from setting up a few badly chosen keywords and pointing it to their poorly designed landing page.

[Cartoon Logos]

and the phone doesn't ring? what's your business mate, PM me

Phone isn't ringing because site content is so unclear, tiny white font on black background.

I'd suggest livewire submits his site for a review as it needs a make-over in order to start converting traffic.

Some free tips here re how people read on the web.
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9710a.html

[livewire883]

Take your point..But that link is 13 years Old...Our Websites are being improved NOW! But they are only used for PPC...Tell me if i am wrong....But when someone is searching for eg An Emergency Plumber Or Electrician do they still read the website or are they just glad someone answers the phone at 11pm...Have they got time so study the site with water everywhere or do they just see 24 Hour Emergency 1 Hour response,fast,Now etc..Would like some feedback Please

[Matt1959]

Take your point..But that link is 13 years Old...Our Websites are being improved NOW! But they are only used for PPC...Tell me if i am wrong....But when someone is searching for eg An Emergency Plumber Or Electrician do they still read the website or are they just glad someone answers the phone at 11pm...Have they got time so study the site with water everywhere or do they just see 24 Hour Emergency 1 Hour response,fast,Now etc..Would like some feedback Please

don't think anyone rings a number not having any idea who they might be dealing with. Are you saying you think people ring you straight off the PPC ad without visiting the site?

[Cartoon Logos]

Take your point..But that link is 13 years Old...Our Websites are being improved NOW! But they are only used for PPC...Tell me if i am wrong....But when someone is searching for eg An Emergency Plumber Or Electrician do they still read the website or are they just glad someone answers the phone at 11pm...Have they got time so study the site with water everywhere or do they just see 24 Hour Emergency 1 Hour response,fast,Now etc..Would like some feedback Please


They will have a list of results so if one sites info isn't smacking them in the face they will click off and onto next site in the list. Average time spent on any site is 2 seconds.

You need to have VERY clear info.

Meanwhile for a company like yours you should be able to get to page 1 of Google free for local searches. Read my info here re how to do this:

(article I wrote from my own site)

"How To Generate New Business With Free Ads On The Internet by Leah G

Today, more and more consumers search for services in their local area via the Internet and if you don’t have an Internet presence they won’t know you exist.

The Good News is that you can advertise on the Internet for FREE
There are tons of great classified Ad directories on the Internet that you can place a free Ad.
Many allow website links, text, pictures and other details all completely free.

Here are my top places for placing Free Ads.



Gumtree.com (http://www.gumtree.com/)
My FreeIndex (http://www.gumtree.com/) – great site, allows you to add lots of information
Yell.com (http://www.yell.com/)
VivaStreet UK Ads (http://www.vivastreet.co.uk/) FREE to search & to advertise on Vivastreet 10/10. This is my fav to use. Gum tree and free index are also good IMO.

Craigslist Classifieds (http://www.craigslist.org/) – Currently #8 on Alexa’s ranking for the most visited websites.
Ablewise Free Classifieds (http://www.thmg.com/free/ablewise.html) Provides free online classifieds in 10 Countries (US, UK, Canada, India, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong & China)
UK classifieds (http://www.ukclassifieds.co.uk/)


If you service clients in a small geographical area, with appropriate content
you can most likely get your FREE AD to the front page of Google.

You can do this for keyword phrases that cover your service and local area.
—————————————————
Front Page of Google?

If you have a business that sells to local consumers then learning how to increase your chances of getting on Google’s front page with a free ad might interest you as well as save you a fortune in advertising.

Small businesses who can benefit from this information include:
Retail shops, cleaners, gardeners, pet sitters,electricians, plumbers, car sales, taxi companies, hair salons and so on.

First, you need to:

1.Google the product or service that you offer followed by your location

2. See what’s on the front page of Google.

Are there any classified business directories listed?

Are they showing you results for one service they have listed on their directory?
Do they offer free ads on their directory?

3. Register with the top listed directories as per your search (try a few using different keyword phrases that you know are popular for your product/service)
Important!

In your Ad title – no point listing your ambiguous business name that no one will be Googling. Instead write the name of the service and the location. Within your Ad include all keywords that Googlers might use and of course your business name can appear. Publish and let Google do the rest.

Ensure your website link is the first thing you add to your free ads content.
Join as many free sites as you can and add your link to as many sites as you can. This all increases your chances of a good result.

Try this for yourself."


I would have linked to this on my site but it's mixed in with a load of other articles which I have yet to sort out onto their own pages.

[maxine]

Just a little thing that has helped us... use testimonials as a good way of using locations and jobs that you do so things like Mrs Bloggs, happy with spotlights installed in Birmingham etc... they don't look spammy but its using words and places that people use for searching for trades.

Name your folders and photos in a careful way too :)

:)

[360interactive]

Take your point..But that link is 13 years Old...Our Websites are being improved NOW! But they are only used for PPC...Tell me if i am wrong....But when someone is searching for eg An Emergency Plumber Or Electrician do they still read the website or are they just glad someone answers the phone at 11pm...Have they got time so study the site with water everywhere or do they just see 24 Hour Emergency 1 Hour response,fast,Now etc..Would like some feedback Please

I would say they would still do a quick scan of the site, and if they don't feel confident they will just visit another competitor.

Lets face it, how long does it take these days to google a subject and scan a few sites? Seconds.

Interesting one though.

[livewire883]

No just saying once people have clicked through to site,I was under the impression that they would take a speed read of the landing page...Then go to contact page,And make the call...I am not saying our phone does not ring we convert maybe 10 % or slightly lower of clicks into paid work,Its not too bad and maybe when the websites are optimised will get higher,

[Matt1959]

yes I agree they would take a speed read of the page and on that basis would take into account what they are able to read plus the general feel, ambience of the site ie does it register positively in their subconcious..

[livewire883]

1) gumtree ban your free ads eventually
2) free directory listing results only in sales calls from them
3) Viva Street is good
4) Free index is good
5) we are already ranked page 1.. 2nd or 3rd for emergency electricians birmingham

Thanks for your info though will study it all Thank-You.

[MASSEY]

1) gumtree ban your free ads eventually
2) free directory listing results only in sales calls from them
3) Viva Street is good
4) Free index is good
5) we are already ranked page 1.. 2nd or 3rd for emergency electricians birmingham

Thanks for your info though will study it all Thank-You.

your in a great organic rank for good keywords, i ran a ppc on the phrase birmingham electricians and i had 800 impressions, and that was the google search only,

So that tells me there is £ there :cool: , like i say im only after rewires and big jobs so any jobs i dont want ill pass on to you,

You have to account with ppc for all the idiot salespeople who just click adds with no consideration.

[Matt1959]

i ran a ppc on the phrase birmingham electricians and i had 800 impressions, and that was the google search only,



what period of time was that over? hours, days, weeks etc...

[MASSEY]

what period of time was that over? hours, days, weeks etc...

Roughly 2 weeks,

But you have to account for the people that click onto page 2 which will make the add re appear, so that could take it down to maybe 200 individual people worst case, im not sure of the page 2 clickers percentage.

It cost me £50 to gather the data but its interesting,

It puts all those keyword research and market samuri to shame because they are way off the mark in actual figures.

[Matt1959]

Roughly 2 weeks,

But you have to account for the people that click onto page 2 which will make the add re appear, so that could take it down to maybe 200 individual people worst case, im not sure of the page 2 clickers percentage.

It cost me £50 to gather the data but its interesting,

It puts all those keyword research and market samuri to shame because they are way off the mark in actual figures.

doesnt reappear on page two though does it? 800 down to 200 is a huge difference - seems your just guessing why the figures are as they are:|. I would have thought if you have exact match and an impression rate, then its quite accurate:| Maybe wrong - happy to be corrected...

[MASSEY]

doesnt reappear on page two though does it? 800 down to 200 is a huge difference - seems your just guessing why the figures are as they are:|. I would have thought if you have exact match and an impression rate, then its quite accurate:| Maybe wrong - happy to be corrected...

When someone types the keyword into google my add is displayed, if the user does not like the look of page 1 they scroll to page 2 or 3 or 4 and my add is displayed again,

I set the bid of the ad to be higher than the rest. I cant get 100% exact but i have a better idea than i did before.

[Matt1959]

ok maybe we have wires crossed, I've just typed keyword into Google and my ad is on page one but not on 2,3,4 - done that with 2 seperate ads. How come yours appear on page 2 as well as page 1 ?! I'm confused:|

[MASSEY]

ok maybe we have wires crossed, I've just typed keyword into Google and my ad is on page one but not on 2,3,4 - done that with 2 seperate ads. How come yours appear on page 2 as well as page 1 ?! I'm confused:|

I dont know, i was bidding £2 a click maybe that had something to do with it ;)

[zigojacko]

You are incorrect Massey, your ad will not appear on page 2 of the same search if it appeared on page 1, for each search your ad is positioned 1-14 (or more), the only way it is triggered again is if you refresh the search. You haven't got ads set up for more than one domain have you? If you have, you're violating Google's double serving policy.

[chrislyons]

Morning people.

but so far this month our adwords campaign has converted over £2400, with a total spend of around £120.
That is a good result, is this to advertise your 360 virtual tours site.

i was bidding £2 a click maybe that had something to do with it
Thats why....have you researched/played around with this figure...£2 seems a little excessive for an emergency electrician.

[MASSEY]

You are incorrect Massey, your ad will not appear on page 2 of the same search if it appeared on page 1, for each search your ad is positioned 1-14 (or more), the only way it is triggered again is if you refresh the search. You haven't got ads set up for more than one domain have you? If you have, you're violating Google's double serving policy.


It happens on other peoples ads to on the same search they appear on page 2 I wouldn't get 800 I pressions otherwise

[MASSEY]

Morning people.


That is a good result, is this to advertise your 360 virtual tours site.


Thats why....have you researched/played around with this figure...£2 seems a little excessive for an emergency electrician.

It was for "Birmingham electrician" not emergency each click was about £1.80 I need to get adwords for dummies,

but I mainy just wanted to gauge the impressions level

[zigojacko]

It happens on other peoples ads to on the same search they appear on page 2 I wouldn't get 800 I pressions otherwise

Page 2 as well as Page 1?

What search term?

[chrislyons]

Take your point..But that link is 13 years Old...Our Websites are being improved NOW! But they are only used for PPC...Tell me if i am wrong....But when someone is searching for eg An Emergency Plumber Or Electrician do they still read the website or are they just glad someone answers the phone at 11pm...Have they got time so study the site with water everywhere or do they just see 24 Hour Emergency 1 Hour response,fast,Now etc..Would like some feedback Please

Feedback:
Where you are in the organic listings for emergency electrician in birmingham is good, you cant ask for anymore...with local results you are there at the top too. So obviously you have no probs that side, but you need to put yourself into the consumers shoes who has the water leak or smoke bellowing out of the fuse box, Firstly Im running around like a blue arsed fly trying to find my mobile, then if I was to look on google for your said search term I see your site at the top and click into it.
The first thing I see is your header, 2 different phone numbers to go off, not too confusing for me but you have to think of a wider market and audience, especially older people.
If it was me and you are an Emergency electrician I would firstly make the header text more accessable to all
eg EMERGENCY CALL OUT 0800 234 234 thats it, no more is needed, like I say you are an emergency service in respect. so I would invest in an 0800 easily remembered number and have them divert to your landline then your mobile. or vice versa, remember that me as the consumer is running round with bucket/mops at present trying to stop the leak. And dont want to keep eyeing up and down to write the number in my phone.
Going back to your site and I think someone else has mentioned it small, white text on a black background...poor accessability, again very limited amount of sites get away with this colour combination ie gaming sites....they are going for the younger market, you are going for a wider range so keep the bgd white and a font of approx 12px, make it more accessable.
As for the backend of your site....Vista, spit, spit, spit sorry but hate these sites reason being, with no disrespect to yourself but they are very basic sites, and how they are made up is in my opinion very bad.
Firstly they dont use h tags correctly, with your site I would go with

<h1>My Company Name</h1>
<h2>Emergency Electrician in Birmingham</ br>
0800 234 234</h2>
etc etc in other words us your <h1,2,3,4,5,6> and <p>paragraph tags correctly.

Google does read from your h1 h2 tags

Table design.....get rid old hat and I am going to say it sorry, tables are for tabular data.

And I am guessing that it wont validate on w3

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbirminghamelectricians.vpwe b.co.uk%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0

Yep I was right good old vista sites
50errors 3 warnings.

Not that this matters a massive amount their is some debate exactly how much the search engines go off this information. I believe has problems reading the page...I may be corrected.

I could be here all day with Vista and I am sure many other people could too, can I also add you have done very well to get it where it is when your search for Emergency Electrician..even if it is a time issue, if you create the site to web standards I am 100% positive you will be on top spot for time to come.

Oh I would also ring and ask the question to the competition I think he is in 3rd place on local listing about how his 0800 number fairs up.

[MASSEY]

Page 2 as well as Page 1?

What search term?

Type birmiingham electrician and look tlat the ads, then go onto page 2 and you will see ads that appeared on page one reapear on page 2

which for that one user searching adds impressions to your ad,

are you sure your a ppc specialist mate :D

[MASSEY]

Chrislyons you are spot on vista are Coverd in valid errors,

do you think if I did link exchanges with some of the electricians sites my current poor rank page 3 will affect there rank?

As I am only after rewires and big commercial jobs I want to pass smaller jobs onto other respectable companies,

I'm hoping to have a week or so on major link building I just need to tidy the site I'm working on up a bit.

Hopefuly I will hit page 1

[zigojacko]

Type birmiingham electrician and look tlat the ads, then go onto page 2 and you will see ads that appeared on page one reapear on page 2

which for that one user searching adds impressions to your ad,

are you sure your a ppc specialist mate :D


That doesn't happen for me and never has done. I've done exactly what you describe and cannot replicate the same issue you raise.

Ad Rank/Position is determined by Max Bid X Ad Quality Score

I can't see how Google would be able to place exactly the same ad in more than one position on any given search, the formula used to rank that ad can only result in one ad position.

There can be other ways round it but not ones that adhere to Google's policy.

[*Lexxy*]

nope, ads on the right are definitely different on pages 1 & 2 when i've just searched.

thanks for bringing this thread back up tho, some very useful info/advice being given!

[chrislyons]

Ive seen to many debates on link building excercises and I have my own opinions, which without opening a can of worms will keep to myself.
Obviously go for the links that matter to you but dont go over board with them. I would concentrate firstly on being happy with the site and make sure in the first instance it sits pretty, climbing the ladder takes time which I know you are fully aware, and I am a great believer in the content with clear relevant keywords and accessable to all approach, and once you have done this and still struggling to get to page 3/4 then start the more indepth approaches to get you higher.

If your site was mine I would
1, never index to google with <li><a href="#">Links</a></li>
nogo links especially to important pages
2, <alt> Alt text in <alt> tags, if the image is not clickable then leave the alt text out, people reading on text readers do not want to see text telling them that a lovely image of a fusebox was her....it has no relevance to them.
When its a link I always use "Clickable image link to wherever"
3, As I mentioned earlier correct use of h1,2,3,4,5,6 p tags
4,<p>&nbsp;</p> & <br/> cut down on the use of these, use .spacer
and define .spacer through css
5,What-Is-The-Earthing-System-Birmingham.html, lose the word Birmingham out of the page.
If you are offering general info make this so anyone who writes what is the earthing system see your page it doesnt really matter if their in timbucktoo, they are getting good solid content and google now sees that your page is quite popular for information.
6,Again my opinion over use of <ul><li>tags.

Is that enough to be going on with..

[chrislyons]

That doesn't happen for me and never has done. I've done exactly what you describe and cannot replicate the same issue you raise.


Me too I am struggling with your PPC ad's being displayed on any page

[MASSEY]

It happens to me :redface: I'll have to look later,


The site im workin on is www.birminghamelectriciansltd.co.uk
I need one of those seo reports me thinks

[*Lexxy*]

It happens to me :redface: I'll have to look later,


The site im workin on is www.birminghamelectriciansltd.co.uk (http://www.birminghamelectriciansltd.co.uk)
I need one of those seo reports me thinks

your site was showing as the 6th on page 1 for me (of the ppc ads - let's not confuse the issue!)

[MASSEY]

your site was showing as the 6th on page 1 for me (of the ppc ads - let's not confuse the issue!)

The balace on the account is low,

I've seen for myself previous my add appear top of the first couple of pages

which is the only way to explain the high figure of impressions

[UKSBD]

It happens to me :redface: I'll have to look later,


The site im workin on is www.birminghamelectriciansltd.co.uk (http://www.birminghamelectriciansltd.co.uk)
I need one of those seo reports me thinks

I don't think it's allowed to advertise yourself as a ltd company if you are not.
I would get some advice on whether having that domain is legal or not before doing too much work on it.

[MASSEY]

I don't think it's allowed to advertise yourself as a ltd company if you are not.
I would get some advice on whether having that domain is legal or not before doing too much work on it.


We are ltd, it's open to interpretation were Birmingham electricians and we are ltd that's enough for me ;-)

could you do me a favour when you get a minute mate, change the domain address on my listing to the new one ;) no rush :)

[livewire883]

Nominent Uk and Companies house Springs to My mind

[MASSEY]

Www.appleipad.co.uk

if a big company like apple don't own the URL to their trademark product that explains it all, and domains have nothing to do with companies house.

[livewire883]

Massy have you read my other posts,You should have more time now you have not got to take your SATS,You are stepping over the line,So far this week you have:
Copied all the content from one of my websites for your own use
Traded as Birmingham Electricians Ltd when it does not exist
Showed a blatent dis-regard for ethical business practices

And then..........Had the "Cheek" to offer me the work you do nor require!

This is what is Happening:

1) By now you should of recieved our first letter,asking you to assure us none of our website content will be used again.

2) If we get no response we will inform companies house
3) We will raise a complaint with Nomiet Uk
4) We will take you to the County Court
5) We will instruct our IT Company To gather relevent information
6) I will tell your Dad !!!!!!
7) Will inform the NICEIC

Let this be an end to this matter----Please call me later

Did I mention that Livewire Group also owns a company called "Investigation U.K." Must have forgot that!!!!!!

Regards

Darren Reeves
07973 295170

[MASSEY]

I sent you a pm darren

[Cartoon Logos]

Massy have you read my other posts,You should have more time now you have not got to take your SATS,You are stepping over the line,So far this week you have:
Copied all the content from one of my websites for your own use
Traded as Birmingham Electricians Ltd when it does not exist
Showed a blatent dis-regard for ethical business practices

And then..........Had the "Cheek" to offer me the work you do nor require!

This is what is Happening:

1) By now you should of recieved our first letter,asking you to assure us none of our website content will be used again.

2) If we get no response we will inform companies house
3) We will raise a complaint with Nomiet Uk
4) We will take you to the County Court
5) We will instruct our IT Company To gather relevent information
6) I will tell your Dad !!!!!!
7) Will inform the NICEIC

Let this be an end to this matter----Please call me later

Did I mention that Livewire Group also owns a company called "Investigation U.K." Must have forgot that!!!!!!

Regards

Darren Reeves
07973 295170

Darren

If you report someone who copies your content to Google they'll remove them from their searchengines (as will all the others) won't cost you a penny.

(see DCMA via copyscape.com)

[livewire883]

i know...MASSEY thinks there is nothing we can do but he is WRONG.....He just sent me a PM and hopfully we can sort this matter out>>>>>Crossed Fingers

[Cartoon Logos]

i know...MASSEY thinks there is nothing we can do but he is WRONG.....He just sent me a PM and hopfully we can sort this matter out>>>>>Crossed Fingers

You're a lot more patient than me and I hope he appreciates that.

The slightly more costly route (price of a sols letter) is to charge him for using your content to the tune of several thousand pounds. My pal got stung for £6000 for just using someone elses 'picture'. He settled out of court else he'd have had to pay more. Copyright breach is not a CHEAP game.

[1weekSEO]

You're a lot more patient than me and I hope he appreciates that.

The slightly more costly route (price of a sols letter) is to charge him for using your content to the tune of several thousand pounds. My pal got stung for £6000 for just using someone elses 'picture'. He settled out of court else he'd have had to pay more. Copyright breach is not a CHEAP game.

I've seen the same on eBay.

I've also threatened people on eBay when they steal my pictures, same rules.

*note to self amend sig to include eBay queen*

[*Lexxy*]

this is the 2nd time today i've seen NICEIC mentioned. the other post was claiming someone giving out their advice on re-wiring a house wasn't registered with NIEIC, from this comment now - "will report you" - are we to assume Massey isn't registered? is this a legal requirement for this type of work??

with regard to the company/domain name, i've seen plently of sites with 'town-trade' addresses & can't see this an issue. but, to have the Ltd in the domain does really imply that's your actual business name, a little confusing perhaps? as a potential customer i might think it strange that 'Birmingham Electricians Ltd' doesn't actually exist...

[MASSEY]

this is the 2nd time today i've seen NICEIC mentioned. the other post was claiming someone giving out their advice on re-wiring a house wasn't registered with NIEIC, from this comment now - "will report you" - are we to assume Massey isn't registered? is this a legal requirement for this type of work??

with regard to the company/domain name, i've seen plently of sites with 'town-trade' addresses & can't see this an issue. but, to have the Ltd in the domain does really imply that's your actual business name, a little confusing perhaps? as a potential customer i might think it strange that 'Birmingham Electricians Ltd' doesn't actually exist...

we work in conjunction with a fully registered nic company,

everything done is legal and professional

[livewire883]

Fine line again mate!!

[livewire883]

MASSEY you seem to be Quiet,Is There something you want to say?

[Big Pete]

Massy have you read my other posts,You should have more time now you have not got to take your SATS,You are stepping over the line,So far this week you have:
Copied all the content from one of my websites for your own use
Traded as Birmingham Electricians Ltd when it does not exist
Showed a blatent dis-regard for ethical business practices

And then..........Had the "Cheek" to offer me the work you do nor require!

This is what is Happening:

1) By now you should of recieved our first letter,asking you to assure us none of our website content will be used again.

2) If we get no response we will inform companies house
3) We will raise a complaint with Nomiet Uk
4) We will take you to the County Court
5) We will instruct our IT Company To gather relevent information
6) I will tell your Dad !!!!!!
7) Will inform the NICEIC

Let this be an end to this matter----Please call me later

Did I mention that Livewire Group also owns a company called "Investigation U.K." Must have forgot that!!!!!!

Regards

Darren Reeves
07973 295170


Hey come on ease off !!!! Number 6 is bang out of order :eek:
He has explainned and removed it, do not need to make a Major thing over it all ...

[Cartoon Logos]

Hey come on ease off !!!! Number 6 is bang out of order :eek:
He has explainned and removed it, do not need to make a Major thing over it all ...

Said his Dad




;)

who knew!

[livewire883]

Sorry !!!!! Number 6 is below the belt....Massey Is there some reason why you are using a socket outlet picture on your "Now No 1 Website" that is of Europeon Standards are you venturing into the unknown like " Afther Daley" or have you got something else in mind? And the tester would not pass the "Regs" in Kasastan......???? Or Similar>>>>>Livewire Likes To Laugh!!!!

[chrislyons]

In true Harry Hill style "FIGHT"

[harryboon]

In true Harry Hill style "FIGHT"

I am the real Harry lol

[Tin]

When someone types the keyword into google my add is displayed, if the user does not like the look of page 1 they scroll to page 2 or 3 or 4 and my add is displayed again,

ok maybe we have wires crossed, I've just typed keyword into Google and my ad is on page one but not on 2,3,4 - done that with 2 seperate ads. How come yours appear on page 2 as well as page 1 ?! I'm confused:|

You are incorrect Massey, your ad will not appear on page 2 of the same search if it appeared on page 1, for each search your ad is positioned 1-14 (or more), the only way it is triggered again is if you refresh the search. You haven't got ads set up for more than one domain have you? If you have, you're violating Google's double serving policy.

Unless I'm completely missing the point here this is in fact quite a common happening and something I see a lot.

Here are a couple of examples I have just done:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_en-GBGB331GB331&q=dogs+for+tv&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=g2&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Two of the ads appearing on page one also appear on page two,three,four,etc

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_en-GBGB331GB331&q=superdry&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Only one ad this time but appearing on both page one and two,three,four,five,etc

And when I type in birmingham electricians I'm also seeing the same ads appearing on both pages.

I always assumed it was down to a lack of competition but I have just typed in "seo" and I'm seeing a couple of ads that are on page 1 and page 2, so it is not as clear cut as I first thought.

Curiouser and curiouser :(

Ray

[zigojacko]

It can happen if there is a lot of competition...

Something along the lines of...

Page 1: Top ( 1 - 3) | Side (4 - 11)

Page 2: Top (4 - 6) | Side (12 - 19)

Page 3: Top (1, 2, 7) | Side (20 - 25)

Page 4: Top (1 - 3) | Side (4 - 11)

Based on an example of 25 ads being eligible for the search query, the quality threshold that ads must exceed to appear in a top spot often varies per page...