Monster.co.uk

[New Business]

i was just researching on the recruitment sites when i came across there charges, fish 4 jobs and monster both charge around £300 to place adverts now to me that sound like a lot of profit, if theres 100 new advertisments a day thats £30000 a day that cannot be right can it

[Pebble Communications]

Recruitment advertising is always expensive. It is always the most expensive per cm in local papers too; costing more than the big colour display ads elsewhere...

£300 to reach all those people doesn't sound bad to me.

[New Business]

i just never knew it cost so much but when there offering wages of 20 k + they have the money to spend

[Russ]

Hi

I'm in the industry and have a recruitment agency (www.mvauk.com) and a job website (www.appointdirect.com).

We set up the job website to deliver an affordable and effective 3rd option directly to companies seeking staff as an alternative to advertising in the local press or having to use employment agencies which can often prove to be to costly and charge £100 for a single advert or £250 for 5 adverts and receive 3 to 5 applications per advert.

So far we have sunk nearly £100k in to the job website and are still working hard in a competative market to attract new advertisers and candidates. We could easily spend 35k per month on Google adwords for job search related keywords and, if we try and compete with Monster who have just run a national TV campaign, could easily spend 1.5m on that.

Most of the adverts that apear on Monster and other Job Boards such as Fish 4 and Jobsite are placed by employment agencies who pay a fraction of the advertised price.

The problem at the moment is that many companies do not realise that the internet is THE MOST EFFECTIVE medium for attracting new staff. Many companies could vastly reduce their recruitment overheads and streamline their processes by employing on line recruitmnt stratergies but are unfamilier with it as an option.

Many employment agencies love the internet jobsites and do not want there clients to catch on to them as the filtering technology can improve the quality of applications and speed up the recruitment process. Many 2nd rate agencies simply re-format the CV's they receive and forward the application direct to the client meaning they spend about £10 to earn a £2000 fee...

As with anything it is ultimatley about the value for money you receive. If you could recruit someone for £100 instead of £2000 would you?

Russ

[clairemackaness]

I'm an ex recruitment consultant and we always used www.reed.co.uk/freerecruit to advertise our vacancies. It's free and really effective.

[JustOneUK]

if someone has a job vacancy they can advertise it on my site for free

including job agencies advertising their vacancies...

suddenly I get the feeling free is a bit cheap :? hehe :D

[Russ]

if someone has a job vacancy they can advertise it on my site for free

including job agencies advertising their vacancies...

suddenly I get the feeling free is a bit cheap :? hehe :D

How much traffic do you get from active job seekers??? If you get none then cheap is a waste of money :lol:

[New Business]

Why do people say they cannot find employment if theres so many jobs and recruitment place's

[mattk]

Alot of the jobs on those Web sites are either duplicates (same job, different agency) or are simply made up in order to get candidates to contact agencies.

The kind of people (professionals, graduates etc) who use those kinds of sites are not the kind of people who claim they can't find work, are they???

Personally, I only ever use JobServe, as they put all other sites in the shade, both in terms of the functionality of the site and the quality of the results.

[Russ]

Alot of the jobs on those Web sites are either duplicates (same job, different agency) or are simply made up in order to get candidates to contact agencies.

The kind of people (professionals, graduates etc) who use those kinds of sites are not the kind of people who claim they can't find work, are they???

Personally, I only ever use JobServe, as they put all other sites in the shade, both in terms of the functionality of the site and the quality of the results.

Matt is absolutley right, most of the jobs are duplicated by 3,4,5 or more agencies all fighting over the same business. Most of the candidates that use job websites are passive jobseekers keeping an eye on the market (often during their tea or lunch break at work!) and only a small number are the long term unemployed.

Interesting that you only use jobserve, they laid the early foundations for on line recruitment and were IT people themselves. Back in the early 90's Robbie Cowling set jobserve up origionally for the contract market place and notified people by email of new opportunities starting from a small subscriber base and grew it from there.

[Russ]

Why do people say they cannot find employment if theres so many jobs and recruitment place's

Are some people better of on benefits? Are they lazy? Are they searching for their true vocation? Are they unsuitable for the jobs they apply for?

It's more a case at the moment that the companies can't find the staff. We are at vertually zero unemployment in the UK at the moment so it is very difficult to find good people when you need them.

[Mortime Business Software]

We are at vertually zero unemployment in the UK at the moment so it is very difficult to find good people when you need them.

Last night the BBC reported that unemployment was 5%.

Dave

[New Business]

we have 1.53 million people unemployed in the uk and thats not including people claiming benifits theres plenty of job and people

[Mortime Business Software]

we have 1.53 million people unemployed in the uk and thats not including people claiming benifits theres plenty of job and people

And nor does it include the people who have been omitted from the figures by the "book cooking" policies of governments over the last 20 years or so.

But if there are plenty of jobs, then there should not be plenty of people looking for them. If there are plenty of people looking for jobs, then there should not be plenty of jobs. It cannot work both ways because of natural supply and demand laws.

If we believe Russ (which I do) when he says that recruitment agencies are engaging in dispicable tactics like duplicating vacancies in order to appear more attractive, then this suggests there are not enough jobs! Could this situation be due to company policies such as outsourcing work overseas?

On a related matter, if there are, say, 1,530,000 unemployed, and this represents 5% of the workforce, then that means there are only about 30,600,000 people in the workforce. That's only about half the population isn't it? How can half a population work for itself and the other half whilst maintaining it's morale?

No wonder the government is trying to suck in all those immigrants and get them working. Being a part of the EEC will make it so much easier to grab our slice of the new modern-day slave market!

Just some of my thoughts. Feel free to correct me because I don't really understand it all myself! :)

Dave

[Russ]

If we believe Russ (which I do) when he says that recruitment agencies are engaging in dispicable tactics like duplicating vacancies in order to appear more attractive, then this suggests there are not enough jobs! Could this situation be due to company policies such as outsourcing work overseas?

Slight misunderstanding :-) By duplication I actually meant that on jobsites like reed, jobsite, monster, fish 4 etc 5 different agencies can easily be advertising the same vacancy...

Unfortunatly, and this does also happen, some agencies place dummy adverts to atract candidates that they later proactivley market to potential employers :evil:

(good opportunity for a plug) this is exactly why www.appointdirect.com is exclusive to the company that is recruiting. We do not allow employment agencies to advertise on the site at all! :wink:

[Mortime Business Software]

If we believe Russ (which I do) when he says that recruitment agencies are engaging in dispicable tactics like duplicating vacancies in order to appear more attractive, then this suggests there are not enough jobs! Could this situation be due to company policies such as outsourcing work overseas?

Slight misunderstanding :-) By duplication I actually meant that on jobsites like reed, jobsite, monster, fish 4 etc 5 different agencies can easily be advertising the same vacancy...



Isn't that duplication? If a job is advertised more than once at the same time, by anyone, then the vacancy is being duplicated.

Or do you mean that some employers appoint more than one agency to deal with a vacancy, rather like someone who wishes to sell their house might use more than one real estate agent?

Dave

[Russ]

[/quote]Or do you mean that some employers appoint more than one agency to deal with a vacancy, rather like someone who wishes to sell their house might use more than one real estate agent?Dave[/quote]

Yep, that is exactly what I meant

[lexxx]

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