How not to do it

[tomsk]

Only works if viewed in google chrome

Came across this site today whilst researching something

all the www's telephonesystems .com

Do you see keywords stuffed in the background in google chrome?

[Danny@BFC]

how interesting! I do indeed, if you were going to employ such a tactic you'd think they would check on all browsers!

[Big Pete]

Terrible they want shooting..

[tomsk]

More and more I am seeing sites that are still breaking the rules buying links etc and google allowing it all to continue, seems its on the up not on the way down.

[notoriousgib]

it will catch up with them one day when either they get banned or someone reports the site to google.

[awebapart.com]

Only works if viewed in google chrome
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Do you see keywords stuffed in the background in google chrome?
I do not think that is intentional keyword stuffing black hat SEO going on there.

I think that is just faulty javascript dropdown menu code in action.

[Clinton]

More and more I am seeing sites that are still breaking the rules buying links etc and google allowing it all to continue, seems its on the up not on the way down.
If it works and it's legal, what's the problem?

[fiona davies]

If it works and it's legal, what's the problem?

it's not ILLIGAL...you won't go to jail or anything,:) but google don't like it, and if the big 'G' don't like it, you shouldn't do it.

[Clinton]

and if the big 'G' don't like it, you shouldn't do it
Why? .

[fiona davies]

Why? .

it's becuse most of my traffic comes through google. There are other search engines I know but right now google is the biggest player and if google drive 85% of traffic to my site, I want to keep on the right side of them, that's why.:)

[Clinton]

Niw I'm really confused. If Google traffic is that critical to your site it seems like good reason to go with what works rather than what they say works.

You see Google as an important business partner and in a partnerships you help each other. Google doesn't see it that way.

[fiona davies]

didn't say it doesn't work...just said google don't like it.

[Clinton]

If they didn't like it, it wouldn't work .... never mind, forget I said anything ;)

[Raw Rob]

I do not think that is intentional keyword stuffing black hat SEO going on there.

I think that is just faulty javascript dropdown menu code in action.

Agreed, if you look carefully it's a list of all the drop-down menu options, including things like "About Us". It's just bad code that fails on Chrome.

Rob

[idtheftuk]

If they didn't like it, it wouldn't work .... never mind, forget I said anything ;)

today it may work when "G" find out about it, thats when it stops working and your traffic drops 90%

[otrcomputing]

True, but it gets depressing when you see competitors getting away with keyword stuffing for many many months on end and nothing changing. I can see why people do it, so many sites do it with no punishment, and Google doesn't seem to be getting any better at auto detecting sites which do this.

[Clinton]

Google doesn't seem to be getting any better at auto detecting sites which do this.
They don't need to. As long as the majority just drink from the Kool Aid and keep "following the tules"... ;)

[fisicx]

True, but it gets depressing when you see competitors getting away with keyword stuffing for many many months on end and nothing changing. I can see why people do it, so many sites do it with no punishment, and Google doesn't seem to be getting any better at auto detecting sites which do this.
How do you know the keyword stuffing is helping them? Hidden text is an issue and you can report this to Google via the webmaster tools but simply filling the page with keywords won't be doing them any favours. If they did clean up their act they may be in an even stronger position which you don't want.

[the king]

- a bit off-topic (you know me!) but I've been playing around with some code and inadvertently set text with background:transparent (purposely) but color:transparent also.

Stupid - or wot? BUT, 'twasn't till viewed in Firefox v2.5 (I believe) that the 'missing' text issue became apparent; prior versions of FF and MS IE had rendered as I'd intended (transparent background, inherited color)!

I accept FF rendering was correct but I am having problems setting font faces in the current version of Firefox - and it would appear I'm not alone; eg BBC news also displays with what I can only presume is FF's default font rather than what's coded.

Anyone any ideas?

[Ali-v-8]

putting text in the same font as back ground is definitely blackhat.
all it takes is a competitor to point it out and boooooom say goodbye to listing

[DavidGiant]

Should also be noted that google spiders don't use Chrome, they have a different identifier.. thus I really don't get why you would stuff Chrome.

Blackhat techniques are not recommended because a short term boost almost always ends up with a longer term negative ranking. Google naturally monitors blackhat techniques and creates methods to work against it. The best thing to do is read googles SEO guidelines and maybe checkout seomoz.com for advice when it comes to tweaking.

[Ali-v-8]

er what do you mean google spiders dont use chrome. Thats a pointless statement. chrome is a browser not a search engine. result are he same in all browsers.
but chrome is owned by google. so if the wish to add coding that makes spammed websites suffer then i say good for them.


Should also be noted that google spiders don't use Chrome, they have a different identifier.. thus I really don't get why you would stuff Chrome.

Blackhat techniques are not recommended because a short term boost almost always ends up with a longer term negative ranking. Google naturally monitors blackhat techniques and creates methods to work against it. The best thing to do is read googles SEO guidelines and maybe checkout seomoz.com for advice when it comes to tweaking.