Anyone else had the Chris Cardell-Jay Abraham email?

[sarah844]

I have had an email inviting me to a free online seminar with chris cardell and jay abraham. Anyone else had it and will it be any good?

If this guy Jay is so great, why is he doing this even, was my thought. Is he this well known and is he all that? Has anyone ever followed him and done what he preaches with any specific success that can be attributed to him? If so, what was it? Would like some examples rather than just people saying he is great.

There is no mention of what the cost will be to join the special group he will take on, and when no price is mentioned, that means it is not going to be cheap! I just don't know whether generating the energy to respond to say I will participate in this free seminar is even worth it, or am I wasting my time?

[Kev Jaques]

You might be able to get some takeaways from the free seminar. I've listened to so many of these kinds of things the past few years it never really has any impact any-more. So, with that aspect of it I have no choice but to split test and measure the results.
I would say if you were going to look at the advice etc... then you will need to look at testing, measuring and taking things from your results and tweakings.

[RBS]

I also did not understand, if they are SO smart, why they need to do seminars if they could be running their business and making piles of money? :D Simple answer: they know theory, but no practical skills. Waste of money and time IMO.

[sarah844]

just realised also they need you to do an 87 point questionnaire beforehand...I dont think so!

[zigojacko]

Never even heard of him and I mix with many reputable online marketers and colleagues in the search marketing industry.

[sirearl]

Jay has definitley made himself a nice few bob.

Not heard a lot from his clients though.?

http://www.imreportcard.com/people/jay-abraham

I suspect marketing guru's are a bit like starting a religion you need a lot of faith.:)

Earl

[I, Brian]

These generally follow this pattern:

1. Free online sessions suggesting some great online marketing idea strategies, described only in a generic sense with a couple of exaggerated examples

2. Now for more detailed information, sign up to our monthly paid-for service

My impression is that these seminars offer no real value than you'd get from attending a conference and listening to a speaker, or reading a good blog post.

If you're seriously interested in learning online marketing tips and details and getting help with that, I'd recommend instead you sign up for a reputable service such as at SEO Book:
http://www.seobook.com/join/

Forget the horrible sales page presentation - it's just because it's a US site with a mainly US audience (who remain, as ever, ahead of us Brits in terms of marketing focus and strategy in general).

I've just been reading his January newsletter for subscribers, and it's brilliant. Aaron hasn't lost his touch and remains on the cutting edge pulse of internet marketing.

Would certainly recommend that over any cold-called sales-based service from any self-styled guru any day.

[eventdomain]

I also did not understand, if they are SO smart, why they need to do seminars if they could be running their business and making piles of money? :D Simple answer: they know theory, but no practical skills. Waste of money and time IMO.

Exactly, - I listened to the seminar, and it was 20 minutes of them just talking about themselves and how great they were, what they had done, and how honoured they were to be in each others company :rolleyes:

I fail to see the value someone would get. For £500 a time, I can get more exposure than any silly seminar.

[directmarketingadvice]

Jay's brilliant.

A few weeks ago, I posted a thread with a link to an interview he did back in the mid-1990s. It was the best thing I've ever heard in marketing.

Steve

[eventdomain]

It was the best thing I've ever heard in marketing.

Might have been a great interview, but its not like these guys produce or contribute to society is it - its just for them......

Their great at selling THEMSELVES - but their approach is so basic and one-sized fits all, that it won't work outside of what they have created.

I've heard these interviews before, and its just so amateur and cringeworthy. There's easier ways to make money and you make a contribution to life at the same time.

[directmarketingadvice]

Might have been a great interview, but its not like these guys produce or contribute to society is it - its just for them.....

If you're in business and you learn something that helps your business grow, didn't that thing contribute to your life?

Steve

[eventdomain]

If you're in business and you learn something that helps your business grow, didn't that thing contribute to your life?


Yup, but I did it without joining stupid membership sites, as the info was free on the web. You'd be amazed at how fast I picked it all up, and within 12 months knew more than any seminar will ever teach you.

The info or 'secrets' as they were once known, is available by doing a search from any major search provider. Granted, you have to sift through the junk, but hey, its certainly free to be had.

The moral of the story is that the web is huge, and you can't stand out unless you buy advertising. That's it - there is nothing else, and it annoys me when others claim there's some secret that will make you rich or drive insane traffic for nothing, its crap and lies designed to con people! When will people wake up to the scams, when? :rolleyes:

The key to success is ideas...... then its just plain hard work after that..

[directmarketingadvice]

The info or 'secrets' as they were once known, is available by doing a search from any major search provider. Granted, you have to sift through the junk, but hey, its certainly free to be had.

Firstly, "sifting" has a cost. In fact, three costs.

- The first cost is the hours you spend.

- The second cost is the opportunity cost of not using these techniques while you're gathering (and evaluating) this free information.

- The third cost is the money lost from following bad free information.

As for the "secrets", how do you know what they are? How do you know if you've found them?

Maybe there's stuff you don't know you don't know?

I learned a lot from Jay in the mid 1990s (1996 or 1997).

If I were to list the 10 most important things I learned from him, I could confidently say that, here in 2010, most of the businesses that approach me don't know - or aren't doing - half of that stuff.

Steve

[eventdomain]

- The first cost is the hours you spend.

Na, not really - took me about 1 hour to work out, visit a few similar sites to get the drift of it all.

- The second cost is the opportunity cost of not using these techniques while you're gathering (and evaluating) this free information.

That's the flaw, you still got to fit this info into all types of business, its unworkable. The seminars and info isn't targeted, its not for every biz type, and won't fit most businesses. Even by adapting it as you suggest, you just spent probably hours doing it yourself anyway, so whats the point in paying silly money for putting in effort yourself :| Kind of defeats the entire ease of the Guru's teaching and preaching doesn't it :rolleyes:

After all, info products and seminars are sold as a 'Get rich' idea, or 'Ease of use' solution, so that's what you are paying for..


- The third cost is the money lost from following bad free information.

Just don't be stupid and sign up to crap then - its pretty obvious really. But saying that.........


As for the "secrets", how do you know what they are? How do you know if you've found them?

Ahhh, now are you asking me, or telling me......

See this is my entire point, people don't even know what they are staring at, their staring at a conjob, and instead of backing away, they pay the buggers lol.

I used to have sympathy, now I just don't care bcos its not my money hehe.

[directmarketingadvice]

Na, not really - took me about 1 hour to work out, visit a few similar sites to get the drift of it all.

Yeah, sure.

The seminars and info isn't targeted

You've never been to a Jay Abraham seminar, so how would you know?

Steve

[eventdomain]

Yeah, sure.


Come on, its not exactly rocket science to work out is it lol. Mind you, seems like you got taken in by it all, bcos you're convinced it can't be sussed out. :rolleyes:



You've never been to a Jay Abraham seminar, so how would you know?


Don't need to, its obvious they just speak about basic stuff, they aren't going to do the work for anyone - how can they when their time is spent doing all the amazing seminars lol. Not that their offering to do the work anyway - that aint part of the deal is it :rolleyes:

Besides, if the greatest pre-sales tool they can come up with is some dodgy tele-seminar freebie to pull people in, then it doesn't say much for their main life-changing seminar eh....

Its so obvious how this works.....

1. The free tele-conference is given to draw people in

2. The prospect is convinced to pay rediculous fees to attend an info based seminar.

3. The info still has to be tested, incorporated etc - before the prospect even knows if it will work, but its too late by then, they've already handed over the cash.

This doesn't work - and would take so much effort and probably cash to ignite this 'knowledge', that it would work out a bad deal and likely a big loss financially.

So, you're right I wouldn't go to a seminar and pay stupid cash, bcos I know it will cost me more cash to put in place all these brilliant tricks that nobody else can possibly know.

[sarah844]

Steve, if you listened and learned from Jays seminar years ago, would you then say that he is largely responsible for your success as a result of listening to that seminar? What percentage would you attribute to him?

[directmarketingadvice]

Come on, its not exactly rocket science to work out is it lol. Mind you, seems like you got taken in by it all, bcos you're convinced it can't be sussed out. :rolleyes:

That's a rather snotty way of suggesting the fact I learned something and you didn't means I'm stupid.

Don't need to, its obvious they just speak about basic stuff

It's interesting that you're such an expert on something you admit you know nothing about... other than your assumptions, which are based on nothing.

This is the difference between you and me.

When I want to know about something, I go to the experts. I do this for two reasons:

- Partly because my time is worth something and it's stupid to try to learn everything by trial and error. (when I was a computer programmer, we called this "reinventing the wheel" and it was seen as a sign of stupidity)

- Partly because the best in a field have figured out something the rest haven't. (and, left to my own devices, I'm likely to be one of "the rest")

On the other hand, when you want to know know something, you just declare yourself an expert and then spout off about it.

Each to his own, I suppose.

Steve

[sarah844]

Thi is the page you get when you click the link in the email:


Sign me up for Jay Abraham’s No-Cost High Level Briefing at the time and day I have chosen below. I’m eager to learn exactly how and why…and through what methods, Jay feels HE can help grow my business over the next 15 months.


I’m equally as intrigued to learn how Jay plans on helping my business sell more people, more things, more often for more profits. Since he seems to be brilliant at business building, selling and all kinds of strategic marketing approaches – I’m very open to learn higher and better performing ways to sell, market, advertise, compete and differentiate my business and our products or services.


I confirm that I either own or run a profit-oriented “full time” business and I am looking for breakthrough strategies and tactics to better leverage the profit performance of my time, efforts, activities, opportunities, capital and marketplace access.


Jay sounds quite different to just about every other marketing expert or business growth specialist I’ve heard about, read about or tried. The fact that he’s offering to send me two executive summaries of his latest books and a comprehensive, highly revealing self-diagnostic assessment --- in advance of me even showing up for his no-cost briefing --- calls tells me the guy must have something very impressive to share – or he wouldn’t make such a bold offer before we even hear what he has to say. I like the straightforward, refreshing honesty of this kind of proposition.


So on the basis that --- if I don’t like what I read, I don’t even have to show up for his no-cost briefing – I’d be foolish NOTto register-immediately and receive the three documents Jay is generously gifting me, up-front.


If reading those documents proves as stimulating and wildly appealing as your promise – then, of course, I’ll show up for Jay’s 60-90 minute briefing and listen enthusiastically to his no-nonsense, no-risk 15-month business-growth proposition.


I’m already favorably attracted to any real life, success-proven expert who is confident enough in his methods and abilities to buy me the first month of his time and expertise. So sign me up. Send me (immediately), your three, powerful documents and (if they deliver what you say) I’ll be on the briefing call with you that I’ve chosen.


This really IS a refreshing alternative to all the hype, teasing and high-pressure promotions I’ve seen out there. Thank you for respecting me and my intelligence as a serious business person.


I do find that last sentence quite cheesy because it's really obvious why they are saying it.

[eventdomain]

It's interesting that you're such an expert on something you admit you know nothing about... other than your assumptions, which are based on nothing.

This is the difference between you and me.



Such an expert I know nothing about

Actually, I attend major functions and events that are organised by huge companies, have won awards, attended seminars from sales to management, sat more sales training sessions than I care to remember - so yup, I know something about how these events are run :D

[sirearl]

Actually, I attend major functions and events that are organised by huge companies, have won awards, attended seminars from sales to management, sat more sales training sessions than I care to remember - so yup, I know something about how these events are run :D

So are you mega rich like Jay.?

Cause he must be doing something right.

Actually I would rather hear from Jay's clients as to how well they have done.

Never been much impressed by the US SEO crown who seem to talk a lot but don't mention how there clients have done in exact figures.?

Earl

[directmarketingadvice]

Actually, I attend major functions and events that are organised by huge companies

I used to, too. Big deal.

have won awards

Who hasn't?

attended seminars from sales to management, sat more sales training sessions than I care to remember - so yup, I know something about how these events are run

And, of course, even though they were run by people who had nothing to do with Jay Abraham, they were run just like a Jay Abraham seminar?

(Not that you could possibly tell as you've never experienced a jay Abraham seminar - but, let's be honest, knowing **** all about this isn't going to stop you peddling your opinon)

Steve

[sarah844]

1. Can you take your equally antagonising discussion off the board chaps?

2. Steve - any respnse to my post on page 2 (sandwiched inbetween said posts).

[directmarketingadvice]

1. Can you take your equally antagonising discussion off the board chaps?

Sorry, but, no.

I'm tired of listening to ****ing whiners on this forum.

About 10 days ago, Oneportfolio started an interesting thread about adwords and website split-testing. He was thanked by a bunch of people, but he still had to put up with the usual bull**** of half a dozen members slagging him off.

And it's not a one-off. It happens over and over again. Someone posts something challenging and interesting... and it gets dragged down by people who have no idea what they're talking about.

And now we have a thread where someone asks about Jay Abraham and Jay gets slagged off by someone who knows practically nothing about him.

Well, there's nothing quite as pointless as the ignorant leading the blind.

If you want to know about Jay Abraham, find the thread I started a couple of weeks ago and listen to the audios. They're two hours long and full of information.

You'll get more from that than from this thing with Jay and Chris Cardell, which will, presumably, be a pitchfest for a paid event.

Steve

[sarah844]

you didnt answer my questions, and your a smart business person from what I can see so I will have to assume you are choosing not to answer them.

ps It does take 2 to tango to create this conflict you have here. You can have your own opinion and let others have theirs, you dont have to beat each other down over opinions being different. Just have your say and leave it at that.

[directmarketingadvice]

you didnt answer my questions

Are you a very bossy person?

One minute you're telling me what I can't comment on. The next you're telling me what I must comment on.

If you're interested in learning from Jay Abraham, I've told you how you can do that without having to pay money or listen to a sales pitch.

If you're happy to lsiten to him while being pitched, listen to the Chris Cardell thing.

If you're not interested in listeing to Jay in either of these scenarios, why are bothering to ask questions about him?

Steve

[eventdomain]

And, of course, even though they were run by people who had nothing to do with Jay Abraham, they were run just like a Jay Abraham seminar?

Far bigger, huge, mega with hundreds of delegates, but these are trade fairs/network events where walking in and talking to like-minded business owners, you won't be charged 10k for doing so.. So there's a huge difference, business is done in a better way, more relaxed setting and best of all, there's no 'info for cash' stuff going on - you can get great advice for nothing.

And I bet these businesses get a shed load of new clients everytime it's done. And they probably make more than a guru does on their best day :)

For instance, I attended one major event last year, some guy was being interviewed, and he let slip his biz turns over 20 million a year. I don't think he was giving seminars though, I didn't ask him, nor did I shove a business card in his face or invite him to my seminar or network event.

Sometimes seminars are fun, I've been to a few, BUT, they aren't the best way or the only rigid way to get great information.

I don't really like seminar stuff, way too much ego going on for my taste and I don't trust just because someone calls themselves a guru or has a slight reputation on the web. I could turn myself into Guru status very quickly and I'd start by using the press to do it, I could sink 10k into some websites and build a 2nd large web company inside of a year, so you see its not exactly difficult to do when you have money.

Who needs Gurus when it can be done yourself with some thinking, a decent idea and some cash. You could get at least a basic biz model in place for about £20k including some basic promotion work done.

[sarah844]

Not bossy, I just wondered why, when you partake in a thread I started, when I query your statement to verify your own experience, you dont answer. Thats all. No need for you to start getting agressive and start claiming I am saying what you should and should not comment on - never said anything of the sort. I asked you 2 guys to sop your childish behaviour which serves no purpose at all. Have you any idea how you look when we are reading your dialogue?

You are quite rude and a tad arrogant in your tone. Grow up man and calm down your forum stomping. If you are so sick of people having an opinion that doesnt agree with yours why dont you leave the forum?

[directmarketingadvice]

ou are quite rude and a tad arrogant in your tone. Grow up man and calm down your forum stomping. If you are so sick of people having an opinion that doesnt agree with yours why dont you leave the forum?

More bossiness. Excellent.

Maybe you should stick to nagging your husband and leave me alone?

As for "arrogance", when people say something as dumb as "You can have your own opinion and let others have theirs", what am I meant to think?

I have experience of 2 Jay Abraham seminars. That's what I base my opinions on.

Eventdomain has no experience of Jay's seminars. His thinking is "I've been to seminars. Jay Abraham does seminars. Therefore, Jay's seminars must be like the seminars I've attended."

If you think those two opinions are somehow equal, then you're not thinking straight.

Anyway, don't bother with Jay's stuff. It's not for you.

Steve

[sarah844]

Oh deary me, left your ability to agree to disgaree behind you somewhere eh?

You are reading something that wasnt there. When I said "you can have your opinion" it wasnt said in some sort of teacher's tone, and gawd, given your membership here id have thought that you would have realised that you cant work out someones tone from a set of words.

And because i tell you to grow up, calm down, im bossy? What planet are you on?

And for the record, I hadnt taken sides on you and eventdomain at all, I was reading both sides. My commetns are about the way you are reacting to each other which doesn help us trying to find stuff out, in a reasonable manner, some opinions from others. It seems someone can form an opinion, and if another doesnt like it, they strop off in a rude maner about how wrong they are. I cant remember which one of you started it for god sake, but as i say it takes 2. What I meant was, why dont you just have your say, and let anyone else have theirs. That fact each of you are having a spat over it doesnt make me want to take either of your opinions on this matter into account. I would have normally sided with the person who seemd to hold a professional disposition here, but neither of you are behaving in a professional manner.

Another thread spoiled, wish id never bothered asking.

[directmarketingadvice]

wish id never bothered asking.

I still don't know why you did. You don't seem to have any interest in Jay Abraham.

Steve

[sarah844]

You can't show an interest in someone you haven't heard of before Steve, surely you know that much? :rolleyes:

That was the reason for the thread, to get some opinions about him and this seminar thing he was offering. I just wanted to read opinions, same, different, good or bad. There wasn't a great deal of people flocking to say how great he was so I didn't bother in the end.

No amount of your arguing in the manner you did with eventdomain was making me think you were more right about this Jay guy than you were, so it actually served no purpose in the end.

When I might have thought your argument had strength was if you had stood you ground in a polite, professional manner. I've seen a member called bglaw do it a few times on the forum. He disagrees ever so politely from what I can see, well actually, quite a lot of people manage it in fact.

[sirearl]

You can't show an interest in someone you haven't heard of before Steve, surely you know that much? :rolleyes:

That was the reason for the thread, to get some opinions about him and this seminar thing he was offering. I just wanted to read opinions, same, different, good or bad. There wasn't a great deal of people flocking to say how great he was so I didn't bother in the end.

No amount of your arguing in the manner you did with eventdomain was making me think you were more right about this Jay guy than you were, so it actually served no purpose in the end.

When I might have thought your argument had strength was if you had stood you ground in a polite, professional manner. I've seen a member called bglaw do it a few times on the forum. He disagrees ever so politely from what I can see, well actually, quite a lot of people manage it in fact.

Beautyfully crafted veneer of civilised pros.

why don't you say what you think or are you to polite.?

Earl

[directmarketingadvice]

You can't show an interest in someone you haven't heard of before Steve, surely you know that much? :rolleyes:

IMO the fact it took you three days to reply is fairly indicative of your level of interest in this subject.

No amount of your arguing in the manner you did with eventdomain was making me think you were more right about this Jay guy than you were, so it actually served no purpose in the end.

If you'd rather take the advice of people who admit they don't know what they're talking about, all you're doing is proving my point.

Any idiot can throw away an opportunity. It doesn't mean it wasn't an opportunity.

I chose to learn from Jay and I benefited. You chose to ignore him and you didn't. I can live with that.

Steve

[sarah844]

so because I didnt come add a reply for 3 days actually means, for certain, 100%, that I had no interest in the subject? Really?

Just because your life revolves around this forum doesn't mean everyone else's does.

[Tw Installations]

Yup, but I did it without joining stupid membership sites, as the info was free on the web. You'd be amazed at how fast I picked it all up, and within 12 months knew more than any seminar will ever teach you.

The info or 'secrets' as they were once known, is available by doing a search from any major search provider. Granted, you have to sift through the junk, but hey, its certainly free to be had.

The moral of the story is that the web is huge, and you can't stand out unless you buy advertising. That's it - there is nothing else, and it annoys me when others claim there's some secret that will make you rich or drive insane traffic for nothing, its crap and lies designed to con people! When will people wake up to the scams, when? :rolleyes:

The key to success is ideas...... then its just plain hard work after that..


The key to success is ides:

Wrong - there are people with great ideas that go out of business every day, Its knowing what to do with these great ideas that count.

You can put all the hard work in you like but if your going in the wrong direction then you will only go so far, thats why people like Jay Abrahams help.

If you watch dragons den - you will see this, how many people follow bad ideas, or have good ideas but dont know how to take it further!

Jay's Stuff is fantastic, sometimes really basic, sometimes out of the box but I guarantee if you actually take the time to put his stuff to use then you will see results.

If you dismiss it without even trying it then more fool you.

Also, in a previous post you mention this stuff only work for certain business.

Again I disagree, there are plenty of universal strategies that work for all businesses, the five ways and referal strategies are just two that come to mind immediately.

Tommy

[Tw Installations]

I also did not understand, if they are SO smart, why they need to do seminars if they could be running their business and making piles of money? :D Simple answer: they know theory, but no practical skills. Waste of money and time IMO.


This is a ridiculous statement:

These guys probably make a ton of money from doing seminars, not counting all the sign ups, referals, repeat busines, building awareness, etc.

Its probably a very good use of their time and a great way for them to grow their business.

Infact wait a minute - your right, why is Alan sugar spending 12 weeks looking for an apprentice?

He takes all that time out of his work day to film a tv show when he could just save himself a ton of time by following the normal interview proccess and be making a load of cash from running his business!

Him and Donald Trump - they are both Nutters!

Hmmm

Tommy

[sarah844]

so do you mean Jay is profiling himself with these seminars, building up his name/brand?

I think to be honest if it wasnt this chris cardell association I might have taken a look as I had no thoughts either way, never having heard of him and lets face it loads of peole bull themselves up, just like CC appears to, but its that which puts me off, so by association it wasnt attractive enough. I found the email message (which I posted earlier) extremely cheesy and condescending, as if we are supposed to be thinking what he writes. Maybe some are thinking that, but not me.

[Fürgefutár.hu]

I also did not understand, if they are SO smart, why they need to do seminars if they could be running their business and making piles of money? :D Simple answer: they know theory, but no practical skills. Waste of money and time IMO.

They have piles of money rob... piles of it

[upnorthal]

I've not seen this particular video, but I saw a mention of it on another well known SEO forum.
(you know the one where you pay for access to a war room, and everyone posting is a millionaire)

Its true, most of the Internet / Marketing Gurus have a course for sale at the end of the initial free videos etc.

I don't have a problem with this concept. Certainlly the likes of Ed Dales stuff (the free Challenge program), I think aren't to bad for an introduction to SEO.

I tend to just stick with the free stuff, perhaps sign up for a course if there is a week trial. You can generally view all the premium content and then cancel the trial.

I'm at the point now where I am seriously considering joining SEO Book. Many people speak highly of the content on this course.

I think there is a danger though of getting sucked in by a lot of the hype surrounding these courses and the urge to then purchase additional courses. I see some people pay thousands (literally thousands) to be coached by some of these Gurus! - Surely a better idea is just to gain some knowledge, then try and implement it yourself. See what works for you.

Just one more observation. What is it with the typical American sales letter? I just can't see that technique working on UK people! I'd be insulted if a UK business presented me with one of these sales letters.
I guess it must work on US people, otherwise no-one would employ such tactics.

[PrettyCherry1988]

Waste of money and time IMO.