Plasterer, plastering services Tyneside

[G. Lasagne]

Plasterer covering tyneside
Plastering services include:

Plastering, plasterers, plasterer
etc etc

Note to mods: This thread is in response to this thread http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=137956

To see exactly how good a thread advertising a service could rank in the SE.

Please do not delete until it has ranked somewhere

the keyword is plasterer tyneside.

[G. Lasagne]

I have use this plasterr many times and can highly reccomend him.

Mr smith Tyneside

[LicensedToTrade]

Great plasterer, Highly recommended.

Thanks for the great work.

Mr. Jones Tyneside

[LicensedToTrade]

Look it is already number 1 on google for 'Plasterer Tyneside' :D

[Matt1959]

will it still be there in 3 weeks time? Do these forum links stick?

[LicensedToTrade]

Interesting point, time will tell. I should imagine that if the thread receives new posts to it every now and then it will stay alive in the google results.

If it does then it proves G's theories on the benefits of using this forum to gain businesses through google.

This is only a test thread about a fictitious plasterer from tyneside and would normally be considered spam on here and be deleted. But if a genuine user were to post a thread that contained a detailed article outlining the kind of universal advice that would benefit many users of this forum then it would likely remain an active one. If the initial thread contained a reference to the OP's service or business then it would also benefit the OP.

[Matt1959]

this is surely no different to sticking your businesses website addy in your signature at the bottom of each post though? Are links/ keywords within posts stronger than those in the signature??

[LicensedToTrade]

I see what you mean but it isn't backlinks we are looking at this time.

We are looking at how high up the ranks we can get a ukbf thread using certain keywords. In this case 'plasterer tyneside'. We simply want to have a contextual thread that hits the number one spot on google for that keyword combo. This will bring the searcher to this thread and they will then hopefully see lots of nice comments on the OPs business and then see the link in the signature.

[G. Lasagne]

this is surely no different to sticking your businesses website addy in your signature at the bottom of each post though? Are links/ keywords within posts stronger than those in the signature??

Great stuff, so in theory a plasterer from tyneside could join this forum, place an ad/thread on this forum and be number 1 in google for plasterer tyneside within a couple of hours, all for £36 a year, so a lot of free members will become full members.

it is different from your web link in your sig, because that only helps your website, unless somenody searches for your domain. But somebody searching for a service would use keywords, so a keyword rich thread would rank really well, as i have proven;)

As far as it dropping out the search engines theres nothing stopping the OP/advertiser making posts about services and updates, similair to a blog.
each of those posts could rank seperately(like seperate web pages).

So looking at the facts and the scope to improve the forum for sift and for its members so everybody makes money, why cant it go ahead.

[cmcp]

9000 or so results? not exactly competitive.

[LicensedToTrade]

Yes but if you are a plasterer in tyneside you don't really want to be getting calls from Bob in Portsmouth do you?

[Matt1959]

9000 or so results? not exactly competitive.

yes maybe so, but if you're a plasterer in Tyneside, a high entry in Google will probably get you a significant amount of work. Whilst I can see the value of this exercise what it does tell you is that for that mystical plasterer - get yourself a basic web site and you'll be right up there on Google quite quickly.

[G. Lasagne]

9000 or so results? not exactly competitive.

I'm not saying get rid of your website and only post a thread on this forum:rolleyes:
but anything is a bonus if its a free extra.

like anything the more posts that were made on your advert/thread, the better optimised they would be for example http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=what+do+you+want+from+your+business&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq= it was a massive thread with over 200 posts. the search has 448,000,000 now that is competitive

It is an untapped advertising medium that has been overlooked or considered spam. i suggest sift do it now and bscome the first.

[cmcp]

I'd also be cautious of a counter smear campaign, it is an open forum afterall.

eg

I have use this plasterr many times and can highly reccomend him.

Mr smith Tyneside

This plasterer is the worst I have ever used. Bad manners, shocking standard of work and to top it all off the worst personal hygeine ever. (lol)

Check out these pictures of the terrible work:

Read more about my unhappy experience with PLASTERER NAME at my blog here:

(also containing lots of negative quotes from made up people).

[G. Lasagne]

yes maybe so, but if you're a plasterer in Tyneside, a high entry in Google will probably get you a significant amount of work. Whilst I can see the value of this exercise what it does tell you is that for that mystical plasterer - get yourself a basic web site and you'll be right up there on Google quite quickly.

yeah agreed, but its the pr and popularity of this site that ranked the thread so well, if you look again you will see theres plastering websites below that 3 hour old thread.

And anyway its a nice bonus for any website owner.

[G. Lasagne]

I'd also be cautious of a counter smear campaign, it is an open forum afterall.

eg



This plasterer is the worst I have ever used. Bad manners, shocking standard of work and to top it all off the worst personal hygeine ever. (lol)

Check out these pictures of the terrible work:

Read more about my unhappy experience with PLASTERER NAME at my blog here:

(also containing lots of negative quotes from made up people).


Which can all be deleted by the op, or alternatively they dont go live until the op has vetted them.

It would be part of the forum, but changes could be made to overcome any hurdles for the advertisers section.

The moderators could even vet them, i know its more work but the forum would make more money and could even justify charging more money for membership.

[G. Lasagne]

Yes but if you are a plasterer in tyneside you don't really want to be getting calls from Bob in Portsmouth do you?

Why would bob in portsmouth be doing a search for "plasterer tyneside"?

And even if he did click on it, as soon as he seen that its a tyneside business he wouldnt call unless hes stupid:rolleyes:

[LicensedToTrade]

Why would bob in portsmouth be doing a search for "plasterer tyneside"?

And even if he did click on it, as soon as he seen that its a tyneside business he wouldnt call unless hes stupid:rolleyes:

I was responding to 9000 or so results? not exactly competitive.

[Matt1959]

well personally speaking I've worked hard to get my site top of google over the years and whilst someone getting up there next to me as a result of similar work and expense is fair play, someone sneaking in as a result of a forum thread on a business forum would not make me very happy! How would you feel Dave out of interest if 3 other plumbers etc in your area saw this on UKBF and started threads and ended up top of google alongside yourself. Its not as if we (us) need this thing to work for ourselves is it;) So whilst it shows the power of UKBF I dont think its starter. Theres plenty enough rubbish clogging up google local results as it is without loads of bleeding forum posts:eek: I, as you, get alot of work through Google and I'd like to think it would always be made easier for punters to search for us not more difficult:|

[Scott-CopyandDesign]

Surely this would have some sort of negative SEO effect? It doesn't seem right if a website of high authority could achieve good ranking results in any topic out there.

[G. Lasagne]

well personally speaking I've worked hard to get my site top of google over the years and whilst someone getting up there next to me as a result of similar work and expense is fair play, someone sneaking in as a result of a forum thread on a business forum would not make me very happy! How would you feel Dave out of interest if 3 other plumbers etc in your area saw this on UKBF and started threads and ended up top of google alongside yourself. Its not as if we (us) need this thing to work for ourselves is it;) So whilst it shows the power of UKBF I dont think its starter. Theres plenty enough rubbish clogging up google local results as it is without loads of bleeding forum posts:eek: I, as you, get alot of work through Google and I'd like to think it would always be made easier for punters to search for us not more difficult:|

its a rough plan, how about making it a bonus for members with over 500 or even 1000 posts and at least be a member for only 12 months so to get rewarded you have to be an active member?

scott - i cant see how it would have a negative seo effect you wouldnt have to link back to your site.

Mods: could i have permission to start a thread advertising my services in the way i have described, after a month you can delete it, if its considered spammy.as an experiment and as long as the other members dont object.

I also think only paid up/qualifiying members should be able to make posts, so they would have to post testomonials on customers behalfs, just like you have to on your site.

[LicensedToTrade]

well personally speaking I've worked hard to get my site top of google over the years and whilst someone getting up there next to me as a result of similar work and expense is fair play, someone sneaking in as a result of a forum thread on a business forum would not make me very happy!

I guess it comes back to the old aristotle saying of "tough titties" :)

[MASSEY]

plasterer tyneside..........,

Not enough data to display,

Its kind of like posting a made up word "fdbmkgrbngjbnrbnrnbrtjv" for instance, that will get to google number one regardless because it is unique,

Get a high ranked key word to number one and i really would be impressed.

[G. Lasagne]

I'm not saying get rid of your website and only post a thread on this forum:rolleyes:
but anything is a bonus if its a free extra.

like anything the more posts that were made on your advert/thread, the better optimised they would be for example http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=what+do+you+want+from+your+business&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq= it was a massive thread with over 200 posts. the search has 448,000,000 now that is competitive

It is an untapped advertising medium that has been overlooked or considered spam. i suggest sift do it now and bscome the first.

Read the posts massey

[Scott-CopyandDesign]

scott - i cant see how it would have a negative seo effect you wouldnt have to link back to your site.


Because it makes no sense in-terms of competition and I'd be surprised if Google allowed it. If they did, then any gigantic sites such as Microsoft could charge £100 for a customisable page and allow many websites to top the rankings for their respective keyphrases within hours.

You have to be careful playing with rankings like this. If Google hear about it then they could penalise or restrict UKBF's SEO authority.

[G. Lasagne]

Because it makes no sense in-terms of competition and I'd be surprised if Google allowed it. If they did, then any gigantic sites such as Microsoft could charge £100 for a customisable page and allow many websites to top the rankings for their respective keyphrases within hours.

You have to be careful playing with rankings like this. If Google hear about it then they could penalise or restrict UKBF's SEO authority.

Yeah good point i had never thought of it like that.:)

[MASSEY]

yes maybe so, but if you're a plasterer in Tyneside, a high entry in Google will probably get you a significant amount of work. Whilst I can see the value of this exercise what it does tell you is that for that mystical plasterer - get yourself a basic web site and you'll be right up there on Google quite quickly.

I disagree. i bet that phrase is typed into google 0 times a year

[MASSEY]

"What do you want from your business"

Now that is definately interesting, im sure causing more people S.e.o headaches.

[Scott-CopyandDesign]

I disagree. i bet that phrase is typed into google 0 times a year

That particular phrase might not be typed in too much, but very similar phrases will be. Tyneside is a huge area and I highly doubt that anyone will request a plasterer from such a wide area. They're more likely to use town names (such as Plasterer Newcastle), and a decent number of highly targeted prospects could arise from that.

[estwig]

The Plasterer

A duck walks into a pub and orders a pint of lager and a ham sandwich.
The landlord looks at him and says, "But you're a duck".
"I see your eyes are working", replies the duck.
"And you talk!" exclaims the landlord.
"I see your ears are working", says the duck, "Now can I just have my beer and my sandwich please?". "I'm working on the building site across the road, and I'm on my break. ", explains the duck.
The landlord serves him and he drinks his beer, eats his sandwich and leaves.
This continues for 2 weeks. Then one day the circus comes to town. The ringleader of the circus comes into the pub and the landlord says to him, "You're with the circus aren't you?, I know this duck that would be just brilliant in your circus, he talks, drinks beer and everything!".
"Sounds marvellous", says the ringleader, "get him to give me a call".
So the next day when the duck comes into the pub the landlord says, "Hey Mr. Duck, I reckon I can line you up with a top job, paying really good money!".
"Yeah?", says the duck, "Sounds great, where is it?".
"At the circus", says the landlord.
"The circus?", the duck enquires.
"That's right", replies the landlord.
"The circus? That place with the big tent? With all the animals? With the big canvas roof with the hole in the middle?", asks the duck.
"That's right!", says the landlord.
The duck looks confused, "What the hell would they want with a plasterer?"


:):):)

[Matt1959]

I disagree. i bet that phrase is typed into google 0 times a year

apologies, I'm not from Tyneside so don't know the wider picture, yes thats a very wide geographical area as Scott says, is this what you are disagreeing with or don't you think people search using plasterer (town or city) either?

[G. Lasagne]

I'm not saying get rid of your website and only post a thread on this forum:rolleyes:
but anything is a bonus if its a free extra.

like anything the more posts that were made on your advert/thread, the better optimised they would be for example http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=what+do+you+want+from+your+business&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq= it was a massive thread with over 200 posts. the search has 448,000,000 now that is competitive

It is an untapped advertising medium that has been overlooked or considered spam. i suggest sift do it now and bscome the first.

MASSEY

Ok well ignore the plasterer example and consider the example above, front page out of 448,000,000 is surely impressive:rolleyes:

[G. Lasagne]

Regardless of the advertising section becoming reality or not, its still got me scratching my head on how to use the high pr of a forum or blog to my benefit.

Maybe the answer is to create a forum, around your trade, and have it attached to your site, and the only advertsing on the site (banners etc) be your own

Dave

[Matt1959]

Maybe the answer is to create a forum, around your trade, and have it attached to your site, and the only advertsing on the site (banners etc) be your own

Dave

thats a good idea and one that a few seem to persue though not in trades I don't think. If I had the web skills I'd consider it for mine. BUT it seems like mission impossible to get a forum going these days and theress nothing worse than a dead forum.

[G. Lasagne]

thats a good idea and one that a few seem to persue though not in trades I don't think. If I had the web skills I'd consider it for mine. BUT it seems like mission impossible to get a forum going these days and theress nothing worse than a dead forum.

Not neccessarily, you would only need a few members, possibly past customers or friends to chat about subjects related to your trade and i have no doubt the conversations would be all over the web.

have a look at this matt, might give you some ideas http://antiquessite.info/

[estwig]

As a test, join another forum, and start the same thread to see if it ranks as highly and as quickly as this one. You may find it doesn't, so starting a forum to achieve the same results you are seeing here, may be harder than you think.

[Matt1959]

Not neccessarily, you would only need a few members, possibly past customers or friends to chat about subjects related to your trade and i have no doubt the conversations would be all over the web.

have a look at this matt, might give you some ideas http://antiquessite.info/

thats a nice looking site actually but I'm unsure why its operating (adsense I guess??) Looks like an american based site as the UK has nothing like this to my knowledge. Contents a bit spurious when you start reading it in detail but no matter, it presents really well IMO.

Digressing a bit, but I personally think that a web presence can be overdone. If I get my site to the top of google for all the relevant searches, thats whats going to bring in my work. I'm not sure all the other stuff won't be a distraction from what you really want people to be reading - your own website:|

[G. Lasagne]

As a test, join another forum, and start the same thread to see if it ranks as highly and as quickly as this one. You may find it doesn't, so starting a forum to achieve the same results you are seeing here, may be harder than you think.

Yeah agreed, but i think the 200+ posts on the thread mentioned renked so highly because of the content also, i mean the seo guy always bang on about relative content, so pages and pages of people talking about antique furniture is going to rank and nearly all searches will be a lot less competitive than 46,000,000. (or whatever it was).

Im just thinking out aloud really, maybe sticking with a blog is better but i just feel forums self sustain themselves as far as content go, people dont start conversations on blogs generally.

Look at moneysupermarket and the like they rank super super high. im looking at this so rank for "how much does a boiler service cost?" etc not "whats the best ipod"?, so maybe the super high pr site isnt needed.

[G. Lasagne]

As a test, join another forum, and start the same thread to see if it ranks as highly and as quickly as this one. You may find it doesn't, so starting a forum to achieve the same results you are seeing here, may be harder than you think.

Yeah agreed, but i think the 200+ posts on the thread mentioned ranked so highly because of the content aswell as the pr, i mean the seo guys always bang on about relative content, so pages and pages of people talking about antique furniture is going to rank and nearly all searches will be a lot less competitive than 46,000,000. (or whatever it was).

Im just thinking out aloud really, maybe sticking with a blog is better but i just feel forums self sustain themselves as far as content go, people dont start conversations on blogs generally.

Look at moneysupermarket and the like they rank super super high. im looking at this to rank for "how much does a boiler service cost?" etc not "whats the best ipod"?, so maybe the super high pr site isnt needed and of course i would be joining in with every convrsation slighly slipping the keywords in;).

The top 2 are forums maybe i could be number 3 or 4, still more exposure
http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=how+much+does+a+boiler+service+cost&btnG=Google+Search&meta=lr%3D&aq=1&oq=how+much+does+a+boil

[UKSBD]

It's all about time though,

Why spend all the time promoting other peoples site when you can
spend that time promoting your own.

Why do you think some directories have self submitting systems where
businesses register there own details, provide all the information and
keywords and effectively do the work for directory owner.
Ooops! did I just say that :)

If you spent all that time on your own blog instead it could get just
as powerful and you have total control of the content.

Try a similar experiment as the "plasterer tyneside" one on one of your own blogs.

[G. Lasagne]

It's all about time though,

Why spend all the time promoting other peoples site when you can
spend that time promoting your own.

Why do you think some directories have self submitting systems where
businesses register there own details, provide all the information and
keywords and effectively do the work for directory owner.
Ooops! did I just say that :)

If you spent all that time on your own blog instead it could get just
as powerful and you have total control of the content.

Try a similar experiment as the "plasterer tyneside" one on one of your own blogs.

Yeah your probably right, my blog is something i need to spend more time on, it still confuses me:|