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[MASSEY]

birminghamelectricians.vpweb.co.uk

what is the secret to how well placed the site above is on google and yahoo, keywords are birmingham electrician, electrician in birmingham and variations of this.

its a free vista print site, it has no real seo related layout in my opinion. It is giving me a headache :| i want to achieve something similar to this.

I want to research how effective owning a page like that is in terms of enquiries before spending hundreds on different sites. A site like that will give me the information i need.

I can only think the links on the site maybe boost its position?

thoughts will be very welcome.

[cyberhostpro]

Hi

I am not sure where Vista Print servers are, but for UK traffic you should look for UK Servers.

Getting on page 1 is hard! and once your on you can easily move!

For example, currently on Google UK Search for HOSTING we are on page 1 position 6 today. But that can change daily!

We were on Page 1 for "website hosting" on "the web" and "Pages from the UK" last week, then we just dropped to Page 3 and Page 2.

SEO is a hard job and needs constant work. I suggest looking at a SEO Company such as SEO Consult (www.seoconsult.com) we use them for link builiding aswell as a couple of other companies.

Having a blog on your website with internal linking also will help Allot ;)

[MASSEY]

The page i stated has a permanent position of page 1, as for the hosting i am not sure but it appears to be of irrelevance.

I just need info on why its doin so well when it appears to be an anomaly to seo.:|

it links to four sites is it the links that are putting it so well ranked? its confusing me lol

[seedstotal]

doesnt look like too competitive terms, what can put you up in the serch results is what links you have to your site, not what sites you link to
also the google maps is important too when it comes to local businesses
you wont need hundreds to have a site like that, and you have to find out how many searches is there for your terms per month

[WeblinkPlus]

Keyword in title Keyword in h1 tag bolded text Fairly basic on page SEO. Wouldn't think there's that much competition for those keywords... especially as there's no incoming links...

[paretowasright]

MASSEY.....OK ...there are just 11 phrase searches for 'birmingham electrician' per day. VPWEB are number 8 according to my software purely on the basis of having the keyword in the page title, page description and URL. They have less than 10 backlinks.
The phrase has a 5750 competing page desciption pages and 4770 page title pages which is low hence the ease of a website getting on the first page as per your friends vpweb.
'electrician birmingham' is a better 'phrase' search with 33 searches per day but clearly on a broad search these 2 will both be applicable.
Hope that helps.

[MASSEY]

doesnt look like too competitive terms, what can put you up in the serch results is what links you have to your site, not what sites you link to
also the google maps is important too when it comes to local businesses
you wont need hundreds to have a site like that, and you have to find out how many searches is there for your terms per month

they are searched roughly 5000 times a month.

[MASSEY]

Keyword in title Keyword in h1 tag bolded text Fairly basic on page SEO. Wouldn't think there's that much competition for those keywords... especially as there's no incoming links...

It appears to be fairly competitve, if ther are no incoming links to that site that makes it even more of a mystery.

[MASSEY]

MASSEY.....OK ...there are just 11 phrase searches for 'birmingham electrician' per day. VPWEB are number 8 according to my software purely on the basis of having the keyword in the page title, page description and URL. They have less than 10 backlinks.
The phrase has a 5750 competing page desciption pages and 4770 page title pages which is low hence the ease of a website getting on the first page as per your friends vpweb.
'electrician birmingham' is a better 'phrase' search with 33 searches per day but clearly on a broad search these 2 will both be applicable.
Hope that helps.

This is interesting, i have "electrician Birmingham" down as being searched 180x per day, which phrase searcher do you use?

[paretowasright]

I have SEO software which is fairly accurate says 178 searches per day for 'electrician birmingham' on a broad search which of course would include 'birmingham electrician' as well.

[Tin]

Why don't you 'buy the data' out of the horses mouth? At least this way, it's accurate. Set up an Adwords campaign, set your keyword triggers for the ad (electrician birmingham, electricians birmingham, and any other related phrases) making sure you set your click spend high enough to get on page 1 and point the ad to an exisiting competitor (unless you've got a better idea). Word the ad so it doesn't engage well (less likely to get clicked) and after a short time you'll have some decent data pointing to actual search stats. Exptrapolate the maths and off you go:)

[MASSEY]

I have SEO software which is fairly accurate says 178 searches per day for 'electrician birmingham' on a broad search which of course would include 'birmingham electrician' as well.

Yes i thought it was roughly that, thanks for confirming

[MASSEY]

Why don't you 'buy the data' out of the horses mouth? At least this way, it's accurate. Set up an Adwords campaign, set your keyword triggers for the ad (electrician birmingham, electricians birningham, and any other related phrases) and point the ad to an exisiting competitor (unless you've got a better idea). Word the ad so it doesn't engage well (less likely to get clicked) and after a short time you'll have some decent data pointing to actual search stats. Exptrapolate the maths and off you go:)

Thats another interesting way to look at it, i see what your saying.

[paretowasright]

Thats another interesting way to look at it, i see what your saying.

Yes you can never totally rely on google traffic data so that would be another way to determine the real volumes albeit with some assumptions on impressions and clicks vs total actual traffic. Your best bet aside of PPC is to get a domain with the keyword in the URL, have the keyword in the page title, page description and H1, H2 tags + a few backlinks and anchor text with the keyword. As with anything it takes time, page rank and original user friendly content (max 2% density 'birmingham electrician' etc) to really win with google so no short cuts.

[AZB]

From my experience backlinks are king.

With enough backlinks I have seen a page with no content get ranked... It wasn't a terribly competitive term but the example stands.

The page in question only had a product title and an image and no other content. It took some heavy backlinking but it was ranked #1 for the product ahead of the actual store it was sold on. The only way this would be possible is if google placed a very high value on backlinks.

[MASSEY]

I understand the concept of back links to an extent,

but say i created a few sites with "benefit to the reader" :cool: just aimed at giving information latest news, eg domestic installations, and then linked the relative text to sites offering my services would these be deemed as good links and achieve a higher position.?

[AZB]

I understand the concept of back links to an extent,

but say i created a few sites with "benefit to the reader" :cool: just aimed at giving information latest news, eg domestic installations, and then linked the relative text to sites offering my services would these be deemed as good links and achieve a higher position.?

I would say those would be considered good backlinks but keep this in mind.

Google determines the value of the link but taking the page rank of the page the link is on and splits it with all other outgoing links. So a new site will have little page rank value but if you only have 1 outgoing link then it will be reasonably high value.

[Tin]

From my experience backlinks are king.

With enough backlinks I have seen a page with no content get ranked... It wasn't a terribly competitive term but the example stands.

and I've seen pages with no content and no backlinks get ranked (on page 1 of Google) it's obvious when you understand the basic concepts. :)

[AZB]

and I've seen pages with no content and no backlinks get ranked (on page 1 of Google) it's obvious when you understand the basic concepts. :)

Please share these "basic concepts" you are referring to.

In my example I explained that I accomplished this by spreading backlinks... your comment is a wee bit vague... sorry if i missed the "obvious" answer.

enlighten us please :)

[gritbinsales]

we run 2 websites that are listed on page 1, however we get very few orders from any

grit bin sales listed 2,3, and 4
cleaner gardens grounds maintenance listed 1 and 2

[paretowasright]

The issue could be search terms with very low traffic, poor landing pages and website or the search terms themselves not having very good commerciality.