E Lottery - my view, whats yours?

[DeveloperBloke]

hello to you all,

i have been wanting to get this off my chest for a while

unfortunately i am not one of the millions of people pulled into this, at best, couple of hundred quid making scheme.

i have known and know people who do this, an they get reeled in by some great story of someone earning loads by selling lottery tickets, and this leads to that, and they spend a few quid here, a few quid here, of their own money, marketing thsi great cool lottery , an try compete with millions of other people pushing the same service.

it is not worht the money or time of day. ok there will be people who make money from it, but i would find something a little more worth while to invest your time in

yes, millions of people play the loottery around the word, so why shoudl they switch to this miraculous, umm, lottery. of course, its the percentage of how more likely you are to win!


load of rubbish. its a syndicate to make someone at the top rich, period. i would love to be proven wrong n thsi by the way. Heres a little experiment. draw out the diagram of a pyramid shceme, then draw out the upline downline marketing scheme, see any thing strange?

sorryt o rant, but these are not a good way to make money, and i dont like it when someone convinces someone that they do., though im sure soemoen will reply saying you can you can, here goes.

sure, the blokes at the top are rich, adn they are clever in how they sell the idea, (not to customers, which is hard), but to gullible (sorry) people, who then have to sell this ridiculous idea of paying money each month with a slim chance of winning a couple of quid.

But wait, im so mistaken, on the e lottery website, it says...

Team work is one of the most important factors in building any successful company. Here we all are, then, supporting each other and working as a team…

aaaaaahhh, this makes my blood boil!

what if it read like this...

and here we are (the directors) , appreciating that evryone works as a team to make us rich, of course we would lead you to believe that you can also become rich, but thats where we are clever

i would love to hear peoples views on this up hill downhill, round the hill, over the hill legal con

the maths is right they say. ok heres a fact

49 people in the syndicate paying £5 each

is equals £245 a week for 88 lines, that means it costs you 2.78 per line. they pay £1 per line, so then a little gets passed up to the next level uphill (eek, nearly said pyramid, but its not a pyramid) then the rest goes to the guys at the top. it is worth mentionin here, that if you played it amongst your friends by yourselves, then only need to find 18 of you to pay at 5 a week for the 88 lines, alternatively, if you have 49 mates, then you can play with 245 lines.

this is more like a volcano scheme, becuase the lava (money) fills it up from the bottom, then merely erupts out of the top, to fill up the valley (directors), all the time, the lava is flowing up past the inside of the volcano (the gullibles)

so come prove me wrong elottery peeps


j

please note that for legal reasons this is my opinion and all info is allegibly. all characters used are fictional and any relation to any real life person or animal is merely a coincidence

[fastfences]

Hi Dev,
We may as well say that anyone buying a burger at McDonald's is contributing to a pyramid, also.

What e lottery does is provide people who play lotteries to increase their chances of winning. It also provides an opportunity for added income. I, for one, do not mind paying a slight 'premium' on my tickets to have a better chance of winning, plus, a chance of creating further wealth.

Sure, it's not for everyone, but we ELECT to purchase the product, just as we ELECT to exercise choice over whether to by the Sun, The Independant, Times etc. They all offer news, but some offer a little more, some offer a little better.

If you change the subject matter to Neway's or Herballife or Kleeneze, I'd be more akin to your thoughts. They are classic exponents of shifting merchandise at a 'premium' price. But, the purchases still ELECT to purchase the product knowing full well that there is a benefit to them.

The benefit in elottery is firstly, 'being in it to win it' and secondly, the advantage of extra income. Everyone knows what the syndicate is about, and no-one is exploited.

I'll happily keep playing - and recruiting :wink:
Cheers, Nigel

[Magsite]

Since I am a promoter of e-Lottery please let me reply

The e-Lottery has two approaches.

1) Player
2) Player/promoter(affiliate member)

The vast majority of members of e-Lottery are players. When my husband first joined he wanted to play the lottery without the hassle of queuing and paying for Lottery tickets at the newsagents every week. He worked abroad at short notice for periods up to 6 months and liked the simplicity of playing the lottery this way.

Other benefits include
No more mislaying or losing your tickets
No more forgetting to check your tickets (or mis-checking them, even)
No more having to collect your winnings back at the lottery shop
No more forgetting to collect your winnings, either.
Increased chances at winning a prize

The e-Lottery has been mentioned on this site and the business side shown as many forum members have websites and customer bases that may be interested in playing the Lottery in this manner. How simple is it to add a small banner on your site or put details on the back of your receipts?

Finally the question of "Pyramid Scheme"

It is not and I’ll explain why. The main difference between a pyramid scheme and e-Lottery is that a pyramid scheme has no product and you make money just by introducing people to the pyramid. They're completely illegal as you know. E-Lottery have a fully legitimate product (approved by the Lottery Standards Council) and you don't have to join the business side of things if you don't want to. We're exactly the same as other legal network marketing compies.

E-Lottery has chosen to market their product by NETWORK MARKETING. Where affiliate members are rewarded a commission when they find a new customer.

Players join knowing that they can get a full refund if they don't like it within 14 days. The percentage that asks for a refund is very low and the dropout rate is very low even though you can join for a week at a time.

I’m surprised by your post Delevoperbloke. You made some valid points when reviewing my new landing page design (Designed by a fellow UKBF member.) Also I notice you like your votes and won’t even get into the last topic with a vote you made.

Regards
Lisa

PS The euromillions jackpot this week is going to be about £30 Million. I wouldn't mind sharing that win!

[fastfences]

Developer Bloke developed a spot of silence?

Cheers, Nigel

[Rob Holmes]

Lisa,

A totally innocent and unloaded question..

Have you won more with e-lottery?

Rob

[Magsite]

Lisa,

A totally innocent and unloaded question..

Have you won more with e-lottery?

Rob

Hi Rob

How easy would it be for me to make up a wonderful figure so I will refrain from giving one!

Personally I'm still waiting for a big win although I've had loads of smaller wins and introduce a member that won a share of over £176,000 (They got >£3,500)

In the UK lotto they have got fiver balls + bonus 4 times now so its only a matter of time before a e-Lottery syndicate get the jackpot

Lisa

[FrogMan]

It’s a con and I cannot believe how many gullible people there are out there.

Say for example there is one draw and 49 numbers. You promise people that they will share five numbers will other members and the sixth is guaranteed by the syndicate company. i.e. if their five match any five in the draw then they are guaranteed to win the jackpot. How can they guarantee this? Simple. They buy a line for each of the possible 6th numbers. You would think that this means 49 lines, but considering that you’ve already picked 5, its actually 44 lines (cannot have the same number twice as a main ball). So, assume that the first five numbers are: 2, 3, 7, 12, 34. You only need to create 44 lines, each one with one of the remaining 44 numbers in turn:
2 3 7 12 34 1
2 3 7 12 34 4
2 3 7 12 34 5
2 3 7 12 34 6
2 3 7 12 34 8
etc (excluding 12 and 34 as sixth numbers of course)

This is why people talk about 88 lines (44 lines on Saturday, 44 on Wednesday)

Well, imagine that you were prepared to gamble £88 per week. You could buy all 88 lines by yourself and reap the rewards that they proclaim (see later). £88 – sounds a lot, doesn’t it! Well, how much are THEY charging? Some syndicates have 49 members each (1 per ball). Each paying £5 – that’s £245. Remember how much the tickets cost? Yes, that’s correct: £88. What happens to the difference (£157)? Well the syndicate organiser poskets it.

Do they care if your syndicate wins? Do they charge a joining fee or commission? Of course not – they don’t need to! They’re telling you that you’re getting a share of 88 lines for £5. Whoop-de-doo. They’re getting £157 every week...

Oh, don’t forget. 44 lines – 44 chances of winning. 49 members – 49-way split. So even if you do win, your share is lower than the share of tickets that you’re buying....

Onto the odds.

The odds of any unique line of six numbers matching those drawn from the machine are 13,983,816 to 1

It doesn’t matter how you pick your 6 numbers, the odds are the same. The only benefit with this system is that if more than three numbers come up on any line you’re guaranteed to have other lines with wins too (due to the shared/repeated numbers). HOWEVER, you are limiting your spread of numbers which means that you’ll win less frequently (think one lot of £440 compared to 44 separate wins of £10 – same total overall). After 14 million draws (assuming a different combination is drawn each time) then each and every set of six numbers would be drawn – wouldn’t matter what your numbers were, you would always win the jackpot once. You would have exactly the same number of wins at the same values as the above method.

Odds: chance of any ball drawn first = 49 (i.e. 49 balls)
Chance od second ball = 48 (i.e. 48 balls left, once one is drawn)
Chance of third = 47 (2 already removed)
Fourth = 46 (3 removed)
Fifth = 45
Sixth = 44

Multiply these together. This is the chance of any six numbers coming out in a specific order.

However, the six can come in any order so you need to divide this number by the number of combinations that 6 balls can be drawn from 6 (which happens to be 6x5x4x3x2x1)

The number of permutations = 13,983,816

So, the odds of any particular six numbers coming out, in any order, is approximately 1 in 14 million

So, anyway, back to the point. It’s a con. You’d be better off getting 14 mates to join you, for a fiver each, buying the 88 lines between you. This would then leave £10 for petrol to pick the tickets up every five weeks, or to buy a chinese on the way home if you prefer to walk. So, what about the other 34 members? They’re not needed – they form the profit of the syndicate. You may as well ask them to donate it to charity or even better write a cheque to e-lottery. Should you win, you could still share with them – be the same as if you were in an e-lottery syndicate, but then again, why bother!

[robella]

I had played e-lotto for 3-4 months. I won a couple of small prizes which ended up in a total of 12 pounds or so. As I have paid around 80 pounds during those months I ve been participating, the cheer 12 pounds seemed like a consolation prize :( I've been quite sceptical before entering the e-lottery but was really tempted as I wanted to win and I really believed that I am on the way. Where as one day I finally matched 3 numbers instead of usual 2 and I got less than a tenna (9 with something) for that! I was furious. If I play normally 1 pound per draw I could win 10 pounds for matching 3 numbers. So what is the advantage of their system? Yes, I get paid a little for matching 2 numbers whereas if you play on your own you don't get anything. But if you match 4 or 5 numbers on your own, you don't have to share it with anyone! Don't call me gready, but explain to me what is the point to pay even more money for getting a less result? Only for this reason I withdrew. I could not bear that I may end up paying a huge amount of money for nothing and then regret later.

I think DeveloperBloke is absolutely right, it is a money pump scheme.

[Tej]

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