Title Tags-Keyword First?

[FunkyBears]

Should Title tags put the keywords first ie:

Personalised Teddy Bears-Gifts for Every Occasion-Fast UK Delivery
or
Teddy Bears-Personalised Gifts-Unique Presents-Fast UK Delivery

[petera]

Should Title tags put the keywords first ie:

Personalised Teddy Bears-Gifts for Every Occasion-Fast UK Delivery
or
Teddy Bears-Personalised Gifts-Unique Presents-Fast UK Delivery

Yes, keywords first is the best option.

Personally I would go for option 2 on your example

[Kev Jaques]

You are not just selling a teddy bear though, you are selling the sentiment.
Worth testing!
Google will pull out the words it needs, I would use the 2nd one.
You are on pg 1 google.co.uk web for both teddy bear gift(s) /personalised

Personalised is just another keyword you don't need imo even though it is personalised.
Unique gift or other alternative, look at google keywords and synonyms for competition and search volume for starters

[FunkyBears]

Ok Kev what would you suggest then? As teddy bears and teddy bear are main search term.

[Kev Jaques]

You have loads of good content on your blog, use some of the ideas/content you already have.
Your 2nd choice is better from the point of view you are not targeting a 3 word keyword right off the bat, it's your competitors you need to look at too.
Also don't discount looking/reviewing your meta description at the same time, sell the sentiment in there as you have more words to play with.
At the end of the day you need to please more humans with your wording than search engines as search engines are not sympathetic.

[Ali-v-8]

personalised teddy bears | Unique teddy bear | Gift Bear | Unusual teddies

[fisicx]

personalised teddy bears | Unique teddy bear | Gift Bear | Unusual teddies
Or even:
Unique, personalised teddy bears, give someone a gift bear today

[FunkyBears]

surely the main keyword should come first? Teddy Bears as the search term for personalised teddy bears is minute?

[Ali-v-8]

Or even:
Unique, personalised teddy bears, give someone a gift bear today

Nah mines better.

"give someone a gift bear" is not really a title (more of a suggestion or desription) although "gift bear" is a good mention.

[Ali-v-8]

surely the main keyword should come first? Teddy Bears as the search term for personalised teddy bears is minute?

the title i listed will help capture.

bear
bears
teddies
teddy bear
teddy bears
uniquie teddies
unique bears
unique bear
unique personalised bears
uniquie gift bears
...............etc

By the way this is a rough and only part of what "I" would do.

Doing titles correctly get you better captcha

[FunkyBears]

http://www.seomoz.org/article/search-ranking-factors#ranking-factors
2.Keyword Use as the First Word(s) of the Title Tag
63% high importance

[Ali-v-8]

http://www.seomoz.org/article/search-ranking-factors#ranking-factors
2.Keyword Use as the First Word(s) of the Title Tag
63% high importance

I have my reasons for my title, but i would agree with this.

[SFD]

Why has no-one suggested

TEDDY BEARS PERSONALISED TEDDY BEAR FOR SALE CHEAP TEDDIES TO BUY UNIQUE GIFT BEAR


???

Where is sirearl?

[FunkyBears]

so are we agreed that Teddy Bears should appear First in the title tag?

[SFD]

so are we agreed that Teddy Bears should appear First in the title tag?

This is SEO, no-one ever agrees!:)

[Ali-v-8]

its not that big a deal look

Say It With Bears - personalised teddy bears and teddy bear gifts ...
Say It With Bears - Personalised Teddy Bears for every occasion. A large range of teddy bears, personalised and delivered anywhere in the uk in a gift box.
Personalised - Me to You - Baby - Big Teddy Bears
www.sayitwithbears.co.uk/ - Cached - Similar

Can you see what i meant.

[FunkyBears]

TEDDY BEARS PERSONALISED TEDDY BEAR FOR SALE CHEAP TEDDIES TO BUY UNIQUE GIFT BEAR
I have read that Google will penalise you for duplicating kewords in title tags?

[SFD]

TEDDY BEARS PERSONALISED TEDDY BEAR FOR SALE CHEAP TEDDIES TO BUY UNIQUE GIFT BEAR
I have read that Google will penalise you for duplicating kewords in title tags?

Sorry, mine was a little tongue in cheek, based on one of the methods of sirearl, a member on here.

Check out www.lingscars.com (http://www.lingscars.com) for some of his handywork.

He seems to get good results but definitely has his own, unique style

Edit: That kind of highlights my point that no-one ever agrees - sirearl gets good results but a lt of people wouldn't use his titles.

[Ali-v-8]

TEDDY BEARS PERSONALISED TEDDY BEAR FOR SALE CHEAP TEDDIES TO BUY UNIQUE GIFT BEAR
I have read that Google will penalise you for duplicating kewords in title tags?

Read the title carefully

[Ali-v-8]

TEDDY BEARS PERSONALISED TEDDY BEAR FOR SALE CHEAP TEDDIES TO BUY UNIQUE GIFT BEAR

Words are different

[david64]

My advice for titles is to prefix and suffix the keywords with exact match terms. For example:

CoName - Organic SEO Company Offering Bespoke SEO Services, UK

This has the following as an exact string:

Organic SEO
SEO Company
Bespoke SEO
SEO Services
SEO Services UK

and doesn't appear spammy at the same time. It reads ltr and makes sense; rather than an amalgamation of keywords and separators.

Google will think your site is more relevant if the words are right next to each other in the title.

[Kev Jaques]

Google will think your site is more relevant if the words are right next to each other in the title.

As David said, which is exactly why you want to appeal to peoples emotions for unique gifts as such for these keep sakes rather than use a nonsense stuffed title.

[david64]

Has anyone here ever done split tests between using stuffed titles:

keyword 1 | keyword 2 | keyword 3 | keyword 4

and readable titles?

company name - brief blurb

Stuffed titles are probably going to get better SERPs, but do they really loose clicks? I don't pay too much attention when I'm clicking; mainly just avoid obvious spam sites.

[Ali-v-8]

Be careful David.
I going to point it out now but this is another thing that marketeers do.

"WE" know what a title is and Its benefit and reasons.
"WE" know what to look at and what to ignore.
"WE" know whats cheating and whats not.

But "WE" is not the target market. The consumer is.

I have a fantastic tool which I use. my 11yr daughter my 13yr old son my 17year old nephew and a number of my freinds.

all i say is find me this item.
then i log the keystrokes to see what, where and how.

[david64]

"WE" know what a title is and Its benefit and reasons.

Yeah. However, when I am browsing the SERPs I don't really pay attention to SEO, I'm just scanning for bold letters mostly. The only thing I am really on the look out for is blatant spam marks like:

adobe.photoshop.cs4.cracked.keygen.warezplanet.co. cc/crackz/adobe-photoshop-cs4-crack-keygen.html

[sirearl]

Why has no-one suggested

TEDDY BEARS PERSONALISED TEDDY BEAR FOR SALE CHEAP TEDDIES TO BUY UNIQUE GIFT BEAR


???

Where is sirearl?

Now why would anyone use "personalised"or "unique" in there title as I suspect very few of the GBP can even spell them.;)

Adjectives belong in your meta descriptions.

whether you use major keywords first in your title depends on whether you have a realistic chance of ranking for those terms.

If not try something a tad softer.

Earl