SEO - Link Exchange

[kiddiroo]

If anybody is interested in a link exchange to help with Search Engine Optimization then Kiddiroo are happy to exchange reciprocal links with sites we feel are relevant to our customers. Kiddiroo is an online store selling unique children's toys, gifts and accessories for kids aged from birth to five years so we would be interested in companies which would compliment our business.

If you would like to exchange a link with us we would love to hear from you.

[VinceSamios]

Link exchanges aren't worth the effort...

[Ali-v-8]

Link exchanges aren't worth the effort...

What are you on about?
links are worth the effort.

If you exchange links use hypertext links. But dont link back with the same word.

Spend time looking for good sources and you will be fine.
Be careful about where you put the link to. Dont link out from your home page.

By the way vince. i have linked to companies together one offer riding holidays and the other surfing holidays.
Both links are recognised by google.

[kiddiroo]

Can I ask you to clarify what you mean and why, when you say not to link back with the same word? I can understand it if they were competitors, but we won't be putting competitors on our site.

Thx

[fisicx]

i have linked to companies together one offer riding holidays and the other surfing holidays.
Both links are recognised by google.
Just because a link is recognised by Google doesn't mean it has any value.
Can I ask you to clarify what you mean and why, when you say not to link back with the same word? I can understand it if they were competitors, but we won't be putting competitors on our site.
The link on it's own will have very little value unless there is some supporting content. This means there has to be a reason for the link to be on the site. Suppose you sell horseshoes. A logical link would be for the blacksmith:

All our horseshoes are made locally by tom the blacksmith.

If he links back to you as one of his customers then there will be some value in the reciprocal link. Just having a list of links is pretty much a waste of time.

[dheeraj.incite]

Hello Friends,

I am searching link building partners for link exchange. We need all kinds of links from different themed web sites.

If anybody interested then visit here-

contacts- **email removed, please use PM**

[Danny@BFC]

Be careful about where you put the link to. Dont link out from your home page.



Hi Ali-v-8, could you help a complete novice out and let me know why please? my website visuals are being designed at the moment, the homepage is finished.

I have "sold in aid of FSID" on my hompage with their logo and plan on this linking through to the charities website.

I also have "A member of the Baby Products Association" and was planning on linking this through to their website.

I was also going to have links to my companies twitter, myspace and facebook accounts on the homepage.

I already had little doubts about linking away from a homepage that was there to sell a product, however I thought if these open in a new window it would be OK.

I could easily add the links elsewhere on the site though.

Any advice appreciated

Danny:)

[fisicx]

I don't think you will have a problem with those links. Make sure they open in a new tab so that the visitor can get back to your site.

As an aside, how on earth can they finish the homepage and not have the rest of the site architecture complete? The site 'visuals' are the last thing that should be completed, the site itself should be ready for testing long before the graphics depatment get their mitss on the thing.

[WebRightNow]

Google places value on links according to the weight of the referring domain, in other words how important they consider the website that displays the link.

Google rates websites from 0 to 10 according to popularity and content. A top website like Amazon would have a Page Rank of 10, whereas a new or tiny website with few incoming links would get a zero. So if lots of little 0 rated websites exchange links, guess what Google does? 0 + 0 + 0 +0 = a big fat 0.

What you want to concentrate your efforts on is getting traffic to your site by means of advertising (Google Ads), by selling unique items and by placing relevant content on your site. Build community by adding forums or a blog to your site and get listed by the Open Directory and ZoomInfo.

Visit grader.com and run the free tool to have a clearer idea how your pages might rank in Google, as well as getting some great tips on improving your Page Rank. I've run the tool on your website and came up with a whole list of things that could be easily corrected, like overlong page title, too many keywords, missing image tags, no RSS feed etc.
Work on some SEO and get your ratings up.
Once you can show a page rank of at least 4 or 5, you can then knock on the doors of the big guys and propose a really constructive link exchange. At the moment, you can only attract insignificant links, so don't bother.

Great site by the way, love the look and feel and the products are really nice.

Best of luck.

[fisicx]

Google rates websites from 0 to 10 according to popularity and content.
No it doesn't. Google calculates the PageRank from the internal and inbound links to each page. Websites do not have a PageRank score, it's allocated to each page. And it's not 0 to 10 either.
visit grader.com and run the free tool to have a clearer idea how your pages might rank in Google,
The information grader provides is not that good and sometimes incorrect.
Once you can show a page rank of at least 4 or 5, you can then knock on the doors of the big guys and propose a really constructive link exchange.
That's not how PageRank works. Never has and never will.

[Danny@BFC]

I don't think you will have a problem with those links. Make sure they open in a new tab so that the visitor can get back to your site.

As an aside, how on earth can they finish the homepage and not have the rest of the site architecture complete? The site 'visuals' are the last thing that should be completed, the site itself should be ready for testing long before the graphics depatment get their mitss on the thing.

Thanks as ever fisicx,

these sites also link to me so it might give me a bit of help too.

for the visuals, all the content and structure has been done its just trying to make it look good now. whatever happens it will be a case of test for a little while, get feedback, change as appropriate - test - feedback - change as appropriate and so on.

to kiddiroo, sorry to go slightly away from original post :redface:

[WebRightNow]

No it doesn't. Google calculates the PageRank from the internal and inbound links to each page. Websites do not have a PageRank score, it's allocated to each page. And it's not 0 to 10 either.

The information grader provides is not that good and sometimes incorrect.

That's not how PageRank works. Never has and never will.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you on this one.
If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe the Wikipedia description of PageRank:
"...Google assigns a numeric weighting from 0-10 for each webpage on the Internet; this PageRank denotes a site’s importance in the eyes of Google. ... The PageRank of a particular page is roughly based upon the quantity of inbound links as well as the PageRank of the pages providing the links. It is known that other factors, e.g. relevance of search words on the page and actual visits to the page reported by the Google toolbar also influence the PageRank."
You are right though, it's pages rather than websites that get rated, but surely if any of your pages make the top spot on Google, then the rest of your website will get traffic too.
As for Grader, of course it's not perfect, but it IS a great tool and the suggestions it makes for improving many elements of a webpage are very valuable. It's not a substitute for in-depth SEO, but it's certainly a useful, free resource. And no, I don't work for them.
Of course if you have a deeper knowledge of how PageRank works, maybe you'd like to share it with the rest of us. I'm always willing to learn.

[fisicx]

You missed the important bit:
"The PageRank is derived from a theoretical probability value on a logatithmic scale..."
In other words in not a simple 0 to 10. It's actually a figure calculated to 13 decimal places.

There is some speculation about the number of visits (it's written into the patent) but it has been suggested that is is more to do with referrals rather than a simple quantity. Note in wikipedia that a citation is needed, this means the information has not yet been verified.

As to your suggestion that a top google ranking for one page automatically means traffic to the rest of the site I agree but only if the site is optimised for the visitor rather than google. This is why SEM is a far more useful exercise than SEO.

PageRank is a mathematical tool. It uses eigenvectors to calculated the value of each link based on a probability distribution. See wikipedia for a full explanation.

The other major feature is the damping factor. Only 0.85 of the PageRank (not the green toolbar thing) is passed. This means each step in the link chain loses 15% of it's value. This means deeper page end up with a very low PageRank score. You can boost this by getting a couple of decent inbound links to these deep pages. It's also a good reason not the host, blogs, forums, articles and so on off site, you are throwing away link juice.

[Ali-v-8]

Lol i didnt even have to type.

Everything graham said with knobs on.
Fisixc 2 webrightnow 0

[OldWelshGuy]

What a bizarre thread :D

The algorithm is almost unidentifiable as it stands today, compared to what was logged back in the days of backrub.

Just as an aside, the scale isn't 1-10 it is 0 -10.9999999999999

and being a base 5 sliding log scale algo, it means that any of the 250 or so elements within it can be raised or lowered by that base 5 sliding scale.

[sirearl]

Link exchanges aren't worth the effort...

Vinnie you just made my day.:)

Earl

[WebRightNow]

Lol i didnt even have to type.

Everything graham said with knobs on.
Fisixc 2 webrightnow 0

Thanks Ali, I wasn't aware I had entered some kind of contest but I humbly accept that my understanding of the PageRank system was a bit patchy.

Only 0.85 of the PageRank (not the green toolbar thing) is passed. This means each step in the link chain loses 15% of it's value.

Thanks for that tip Graham, I knew about the importance of placing blogs near the top level but I didn't really understand how the damping factor works.

I promise to do more research before I try to impart my knowledge again...

[sussexrob]

Look up Dan Theis and Stompernet, both have proven Recipricol linking isnt worth much thesedays. Google doesnt see them as relevant as they can tell they are manufactuered

Oneway links are where its at.

Rob

[sirearl]

Google doesnt see them as relevant as they can tell they are manufactuered



Rob

Oh really pray tell me how.?:|

Earl

[VinceSamios]

Oh really pray tell me how.?:|

Earl


Earl my love, reciprocal linking has been shot in the bum for quite a while now... it works, but when I say its not worth the effort I mean there are much more effort effective things to be doing.


@WebRightNow - its a little bit silly to come onto a thread about SEO and parrot something you've read... nay matter...

[sirearl]

Earl my love, reciprocal linking has been shot in the bum for quite a while now... it works, but when I say its not worth the effort I mean there are much more effort effective things to be doing.


Oh so I should mail The NHS,Wikipedia,The mayor of london,The government and ask them to please remove there useless links to my sites.?:|

You may have been shot in the bum ,but highly relevant reciprocal links still give me a buzz.

But then I am a tad old fashioned and a bit past me sell by date so what would I know.:eek:

Earl

[VinceSamios]

Oh so I should mail The NHS,Wikipedia,The mayor of london,The government

by link exchange most people aren't talking about links from the shiz... you have links from the shiz - shizzle is a different story to the normal fizzle...

[sirearl]

by link exchange most people aren't talking about links from the shiz... you have links from the shiz - shizzle is a different story to the normal fizzle...

Sorry Vinnie we is still working our way through Crash bang wallop.

Is this an OZ thing.?:|:)

Earl

[ShoppingVouchers]

I can offer some people link exchanges if you have an e-commerce store. You can create a profile and list any discounts you have on my site. Have a look shoppingvouchers.co.uk/merchants

Hopefully someone will find it useful

[Pills]

Can I ask you to clarify what you mean and why, when you say not to link back with the same word? I can understand it if they were competitors, but we won't be putting competitors on our site.

Thx


i am keen but i am an overseas company. i guess this should be complementary right?

may i have your website and email address to get in touch?

[dheeraj.incite]

Hi friends,

You are right, google never gives the rate or page rank to a website. Google rates each page of web site but can you tell me that google gives rate to website page which hides through robots.txt because google crawler can't read to those pages?

dheeraj.incite [at] gmail