Cheat!

[Eagle]

If you knew someone who was trading but not declaring their earnings to the Inland Revenue, would you "shop them"?...

[MinuWeb]

It would depend on my relationship to the person.

[Rob Holmes]

Actually I believe it's illegal not to now which adds to the dilemma.

Rob

[MinuWeb]

Actually I believe it's illegal not to now which adds to the dilemma.

Rob
That could make it easier, as you can tell them in advance that you don't want to risk getting shopped because you know about them.

[Whistle Ink]

i would

[Rob Holmes]

Actually I believe it's illegal not to now which adds to the dilemma.

Rob
That could make it easier, as you can tell them in advance that you don't want to risk getting shopped because you know about them.

Once you know you are duty bound to tell!

Rob

[Cornish Steve]

i would

What if it was your only child, she was at last making it after a lot of sickness and bad luck, and she promised to make good once her situation is stable?

[Rob Holmes]

Theres tax avoidance and tax evasion.

Tax avoidance is intelligent and stops you paying unnecessarily high amounts of tax to the IR.

Tax evasion is illegal and criminal and I don't see why anyone should get away with it.

Rob

[SillyJokes]

Tax cheats make it harder for legit businesses to compete by often offering ridiculously low prices.

Tell them they should get their house in order then shop them. you might get a community action reward!

[mumper]

Tough one that - probably have to agree with vshosting's answer but it might also depend on the personal circumstances of the person involved and why he/she was not declaring their earnings.

Not that I class myself or have the right to act like a moral judge anyway, but sometimes people need to be given a break.

[Rob Holmes]

What if it was your only child, she was at last making it after a lot of sickness and bad luck, and she promised to make good once her situation is stable?

No Steve - still doesn't make it right.

If a life depended on it I would get amnesia but actually as parents surely we can't teach our kids that to be dishonest is ok?

Rob

[Whistle Ink]

i would

What if it was your only child, she was at last making it after a lot of sickness and bad luck, and she promised to make good once her situation is stable?

If it was my own child. I would get them to own up and shop themself in and pay up and face the consequences.

I would like to think that I would have been with my child all the way and been involved in helping her start up properly

[Agri-Hire]

If you knew someone who knew that someone else was earning money but not declaring it to the Inland Revenue!

would you shop them for not shopping them?

:wink:

[Jayne]

Hi,

I'd shop them...

If more people were honest and paid there taxes, maybe then our tax would go down..same goes for people on the dole who have no intention of getting a job and top there dole up with paid on the side work.

Why should my taxes support them, they don't do anything for me! I don't get tax free, why should they :evil:

Jayne

[Whistle Ink]

If you knew someone who knew that someone else was earning money but not declaring it to the Inland Revenue!

:wink:

If I knew exactly who it was then probably yeah, I would. But I probably wouldnt go and say I know some who know someone...

[freecybermag]

Call me thick but I thought you only had to pay tax if you earned over £60,000 per year and if they are earning that much then they should pay their taxes.

However as trusty worthy we all are if people found out you "grassed" on someone and they lost their house, job, car etc because of it some might frown upon you. I'd be very careful,

My own opinion is that I always give people a chance to do the right thing, therefore would tell the person first that what they are doing is wrong and that you are giving them a chance to sort it out and if not you have no choice to tell because you could be done as well.

Anyway it's best to own up now rather than trying to avoid paying it for so long as they will eventually catch up with them.

Regards

Chris
www.freecybermag.com
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[Rob Holmes]

Ok Cybermag - WhistleInks goin gto shop you now ;)

lol

No thats VAT - although it'a another tax that could be evaded!

Standard income tax is over about £4500 pa (one of the accountants will give the exact figure)

Rob

[Whistle Ink]

What about the people on Ebay who buy goods to sell to make a profit but don't declare and register as doing so - running a business? I think you can also get fined for not decalring you are running a business. Moving away from the original question I know.

[mumper]

Yaaay - Let's all shop everyone who buys on Ebay to the Inland Revenue :lol:

[freecybermag]

I heard that if a bank notices that you have a lot of income coming in they will notify the IR if you are paying taxes or something like that. I think that's how most people get caught in the US.
Do you remember the famous celebrity that was running a "MadamHouse" in hollywood (sorry can't remember her name(obviously not that famous ha ha)). That's how she got caught.

[Rob Holmes]

Paypal do verify things.

We had it last week!

Rob

[Eagle]

I heard that if a bank notices that you have a lot of income coming in they will notify the IR
That's right - they are duty bound to tell the IR if they suspect the money is business related...

[Jayne]

I heard that if a bank notices that you have a lot of income coming in they will notify the IR if you are paying taxes or something like that. I think that's how most people get caught in the US.
Do you remember the famous celebrity that was running a "MadamHouse" in hollywood (sorry can't remember her name(obviously not that famous ha ha)). That's how she got caught.


What if they are going a cash only job and stuff it under the matress :D
or in the madams case, on top as well :lol:

Jayne

[Whistle Ink]

so what are you going to do eagle? or is this one of those friend of a friend things? :D

[freecybermag]

Trust you Jayne ha ha ha ha :lol:

[Alpha]

Yaaay - Let's all shop everyone who buys on Ebay to the Inland Revenue

No need to HMRC caught onto that one a while ago and just like other business sectors they are starting to build dossiers on everyone who 'trades' on e bay :wink:

[stagetec]

Tax, what's that?

Andy

[mumper]

Aren't they things that keep a carpet in place ? :wink:

[stagetec]

I heard you can also use it to hang pictures.

[Jayne]

No TAX is short for those people who like to stuff things :lol: They're really good at stuffing :lol:

Jayne

[Agri-Hire]

Speaking of dole scroungers;

I have a mate who left school at 16 and has never had a job in his life. Lived on the benefit ever since, still lives at home at 37, his mum still gives him pocket moeny, irons his clothes, cooks his meals, etc.

He watches TV most evenings, apart from Monday nights when he goes out to play Dominoes in the local pub league. He never gets out of bed before 11.30 and any spare cash he gets goes on games for the playstation.

Oh and he's single if any of you lucky ladies fancy a catch!

Yeh right!!

[Jayne]

Speaking of dole scroungers;

I have a mate who left school at 16 and has never had a job in his life. Lived on the benefit ever since, still lives at home at 37, his mum still gives him pocket moeny, irons his clothes, cooks his meals, etc.

He watches TV most evenings, apart from Monday nights when he goes out to play Dominoes in the local pub league. He never gets out of bed before 11.30 and any spare cash he gets goes on games for the playstation.

Oh and he's single if any of you lucky ladies fancy a catch!

Yeh right!!



Is there something wrong with him to stop him working? If not, tell him, get a job you lazy sod :lol:

Jayne

[mumper]

Don't hold back Jayne - say what you mean :lol:

[MinuWeb]

It's my opinion that people should earn their dole money, let them spend 20 hours a week cleaning bed pans and toilets in nursing homes and hospitals and then see how long it takes them to find a job....

[Cornish Steve]

No Steve - still doesn't make it right.

For the record, Rob, I agree with you completely. It's just that someone came to me once for advice with this exact scenario. If he shopped his daughter, she would probably never speak to him again.

When the moment arrives, it's a really tough decision to make.

[Jayne]

It's my opinion that people should earn their dole money, let them spend 20 hours a week cleaning bed pans and toilets in nursing homes and hospitals and then see how long it takes them to find a job....


I totally agree...they want the money, they earn it!

Jayne :D

[Rob Holmes]

No Steve - still doesn't make it right.

For the record, Rob, I agree with you completely. It's just that someone came to me once for advice with this exact scenario. If he shopped his daughter, she would probably never speak to him again.

When the moment arrives, it's a really tough decision to make.

Yep - tough call - glad I haven't had to make it - my sons too young.

Rob

[daveashton]

A grass is a grass so no.

When it hurts me directly then I would deal with it, but we all forget the law from time to time and that’s why we have police.

I wonder on here how many people have pirate software on thier PC's i.e. office, have down loaded or bought pirate music CD's, speed, paid cash for a service etc.

When I don't make any mistakes I will cast the first stone otherwise it has nothing to do with me. When the police do my job our will do theirs.

PS Jinty that is a brave view in Scotland

[JoyDivision]

I am on the dole at the moment, I am doing a part time course which is 15 hours a week. I already can't afford to live as I am spending much more than I get on benefits on my part time course in train travel.

I have to up at 6:50 every morning. When I get home I am doing research for my busness and applying for jobs (to keep them happy). When I do get a job or start trading I will pay a fortune in National Insurance, probably a lot more than I got from the dole.

I didn't even start claiming until a few weeks ago even though I was entitled to it before hand, so please don't brand people on the dole under same brush.

People who live off it and never get a job are a different matter though.

[Jayne]

We were talking about Dole wallers, who sit on there backsides doing nothing. I don't have a problem with those on the Dole who are trying to get a job. It's those types who think steeling lawnmowers for a living to top up there dole is ok, instead of getting a job!

Jayne :D

[JoyDivision]

We were talking about Dole wallers, who sit on there backsides doing nothing. I don't have a problem with those on the Dole who are trying to get a job. It's those types who think steeling lawnmowers for a living to top up there dole is ok, instead of getting a job!

Jayne :D

I agree but the dole is not enough to live on, the point is if they are doing jobs on the side they should not be claiming the dole however.

However the pro's often make up disabilities so they can get lots of other benefits, the classic bad back is one example (I know they are genine case btw).

Another problem is business owners, my uncle has had a problem where dole seekers mess up the interview on purpose or don't even bother to turn up - because they don't want the job but have been sent by the job centre.

[Herbie]

This is the problem with this country..people think they can be do gooders and make it. Let it be, let the guy make it and be a success. All the top people i represent and I mean the very top biz people will tell you "cheat" is described as negative advantage. Besides, as a lawyer I have shopped all you for knowing someone earning and not declaring!!! hence u may end up being my clients in the legal cases. Neg advantage.

[Eagle]

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I don't know anyone not declaring... the question was hypothetical.

[Rob Holmes]

This is the problem with this country..people think they can be do gooders and make it. Let it be, let the guy make it and be a success. All the top people i represent and I mean the very top biz people will tell you "cheat" is described as negative advantage. Besides, as a lawyer I have shopped all you for knowing someone earning and not declaring!!! hence u may end up being my clients in the legal cases. Neg advantage.

So from your point of view..

Do gooders don't make it (in a business context right?)
Top biz people say cheating is ok if you callit 'negative advantage' instead.

And you're a lawyer?

Forgive me if I'm mis-reading but is your post meant to be a joke?

Rob

[Eagle]

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It's unlikely that a Lawyer would use text speak anyway. Unless he's a wannabe.

[Cornish Steve]

the dole is not enough to live on

This will sound a bit like a "When I was a lad" story, but here goes anyway.

When I finished my research degree in Wales, I started my first job in central London. At the time we had one child and the second was on the way. We couldn't afford to live anywhere near London, so we ended up in Rugby - a 92-mile train ride each way every day. At one end, I rode my bike to/from the station; at the other end, I walked 40 minutes each way. In addition, I was chief examiner for a correspondence school, and that consumed time at weekends. My wife worked at the local chippie. We had no car.

After taxes and the cost of the train fare, we earned 20 pounds a week less than the guy next door, who received only dole money. We couldn't afford the bus into town, so we walked two miles each way every Saturday. We were given a colour TV by someone who won it in a raffle, but we couldn't use it because we couldn't afford a license. On the positive side, you eat healthy food when you can afford little: fruit, vegetables, liver, and the like.

Why am I writing this? Because there must be something wrong with a system that rewards families who are permanently unemployed more than it rewards graduates who are determined to work. One solution would be to allow travel costs to be deducted from taxes. Another would be to put a limit on the amount of time someone can claim unemployment benefit. Whatever the solution, it's important to remember that dole money is not paid by the government; it's paid by you and me through unnecessarily high taxes.

Joydivision, all credit to you for investing long hours in your future. In the long term, it will pay off.

[Agri-Hire]

Jayne,

Yes there is something wrong with that mate of mine who has never had a job in 21 years, he's a lazy git, always has been.

The other day I called him to see what he was up to, he was still in bed (14:30).

Anyway, when he got up he sent me a text saying that he was going to the post office to collect his 'wages'.

Yes, he actually calls dole money 'wages'

He is a good laugh when out on the town, absolute life and soul, no questions. It's just that all his mates get pig sick of lending him money to buy drinks. We all moved on, he is still the same.

I don't see him much now, but don't really have to cos he has not changed in 20 odd years. He still listens exclusively to 80's pop music (Sam Fox and Wham mainly).

Never been abroad, never even been to London, only ever once ventured outside South Yorkshire on some horse racing trip, still has the same George Michael (circa '85) haircut, etc.

I could go on....

Anyway, when you see some superstar like Ayrton Senna dying at 36 having lived life to the full, don't say 'what a waste of a life', just let me take you by the hand and walk you through the street where my mate lives, I will show you something to make you change your mind.

:wink:

[Jayne]

Agri-hire,

That's so sad... and I don't mean crying sad!

There are lots of blokes like that in the pub my husband goes to, loads of tappers! My husband tell them to go away (or something not as polite, if they try to tap off him, he tells them to get a job)

I grew up on a council estate and saw loads like your mate and swore i'd never be like them. I think, if I can do it, so can they! They sit there (usually in the pub) moaning about no money, really gets my back up! GET A JOB and stop winging!

Jayne :D

[chris1317]

I think dole should be proportional to what you pay in so if you have paid a lot of taxes i.e. had a good job you should get more money as you will no doubt have higher bills ect as you live to your means.

There should be a lower rate also though, kinda like a minimum wage as nobody can be expected to live off of nothing.

I am realy annoyed at the system though as I was jobless for about 3-4 weeks this year and went to the job center ect several times and filled out heaps of forms to try and get money to pay the bills and by the time they got round to arranging a meeting, which il add they wouldent give me anything til id been to, it was too late id found myself a job and because im a contractor it wasnt worth loosing a days pay to go get the same from the dole.

There could be a better system in place that allows for faster access if you beecome unenployed. They are quick enough to get taxes when you start a job. Fair enough they may back date it but that doesnt help when you are getting bank charges.

Chris.

[mumper]

This is the problem with this country..people think they can be do gooders and make it. Let it be, let the guy make it and be a success. All the top people i represent and I mean the very top biz people will tell you "cheat" is described as negative advantage. Besides, as a lawyer I have shopped all you for knowing someone earning and not declaring!!! hence u may end up being my clients in the legal cases. Neg advantage.

Someone should should shop all the lawyers who take on these time wasting stupid compensation cases and cost the genuine taxpayers a lot of money. Concentrate on prosecuting criminals - earn your fees for a change.

[Jayne]

Well said John....lots of claps! :D

Jayne