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mark2123
12th October 2005, 20:49
Hi,

I run a franchise business and had what I believed to be good reason to dismiss an employee after only 2 weeks work when I believed they were ripping me off.

I sent them the attached letter and cancelled their pay-cheque for that two weeks.

They phoned me today saying that if I didn't pay them their wage, they would sue me for the money, make me pay the costs and write to the local newspaper rubbishing my business.

I telephoned them back and I offered to pay them the money for the sake of harmony - I was very calm and decent when I spoke to them but they said that the conversation was being recorded, that their son was a solicitor and he should be claiming expenses from me for advising him. He also told me he used to be in the SAS.

I said I would bring the cheque around - he went on about a few more things and told me that it was illegal for a cheque to be cancelled and that if I thought he was commiting a criminal act, I should get him arrested.

I agreed to post him a cheque and he phoned me back saying that on advice from his son, he wanted cash.

Can somebody please tell me what my rights are - do I have to pay him, can he sue me and where do I stand with my letter? I have many people who didn't see him at the places he should have been visiting on his rounds and the auditable evidence suggests that he was lying to and I believed was sufficient to dismiss him. He only worked 2 weeks and I didn't get around to giving him a written contract.

Any advice before Monday would be much appreciated.

The letter is in bold below:

Dear xxx,

This week you worked for 2 days following the public holiday and the results of your work gave me cause to question them. Your first week saw you average 22 visits per day, bringing in around £130 each day. This week, you filled out 40 cards each day, meaning that you would be paid 50p more per hour for those days as per the agreement, but bringing in only £80 per day.

I looked extensively through the cards and was astounded at how many cards had £0 or £1 on them, yet in the past, they had all been very good performers. I could not see how you could manage to double your visits from one week to the next and almost half the money you brought in.

I carried out an investigation. The next day (Thurs 1st Sept) I asked our other driver to visit all the boxes that you had claimed had sold 0 or 1 packets and was amazed to find that they had all sold lots more, one had even sold 16 packets when the day before, you had said none on the card. This meant that according to you, none had sold in the previous week then amazingly, 16 sold in 1 day. Nearly all the cards that our driver visited had good sales and all this in 1 day?

Secondly, we began speaking to the staff at the places that you claim had sold none and after asking around, no-one had said that they had seen you.

xxx said that you made a big thing about honesty when he met you and we trusted you by giving you the job. I put it to you that you have committed the offence of ‘Attempting to obtain property by deception’ (please see attached law) in that you say that you serviced 40 each day in order that we pay you £6.50 per hour instead of £6. There is also a further offence of false accounting.

What you have done is rip us off by lying about what you have been doing and thus costing us income because it is apparent that you have not made many visits in the first place.

I have cancelled your wage cheque because of gross misconduct and have enough evidence to report this to the police. People are willing to make statements and the figures on the cards all speak for themselves.

I do not want you working for us and trust that you accept that you will not be getting paid for the losses we have incurred by you not doing your job properly. If you accept this situation, I will not bring the matter to the attention of the police and we can all go about our business. It’s up to you whether you wish to dispute this and if so, we can let the police decide.


xxx

Alpha
12th October 2005, 21:11
As far as payment is concerned the right to be paid in cash was rescinded many years ago with the repeal of the truck acts.

With regard to payment I believe that you are required to pay the employee for the time they have 'worked'

As they have worked for you for only a short time they have very few rights and you would have been able to dimiss them anyway without the need to make accusations which you were not going to follow up.

It would appear that by giving the cheque you have now done what you needed to.

If there is a claim of libel or defammation then it will now be up to you to prove that what you wrote is correct.

mark2123
12th October 2005, 21:16
Thanks for the advice. I haven't paid yet and want to pay by cheque so that there is a record. I intend to pay by cheque.

I believe I can prove what I wrote to be correct - so if I am satisfied with this, is what I wrote ok do you think?

Regards.

Stephen
12th October 2005, 23:19
Put it this way, I wouldn't suggest you send the same letter if you find yourself in a similar situation again!

I agree that you are right to pay by cheque, but I think that the situation needs defusing. You don't want to have to start defending libel/defamation claims. I suggest you get this sorted out as quickly as possible - whilst his rights are limited due to his length of service, it would seem you haven't followed reasonable procedures. Hopefully you can settle this by paying the wages and that will be the end of the matter.

Going forward, you are legally obliged to give employees a contract of employment. This would make your respective obligations clearer, in particular with respect to probationary periods and disciplinary procedures. (All employers are also required to give their employees written disciplinary procedures.)

Good luck; hope it works out.

mark2123
13th October 2005, 07:29
Thanks - I'll pay him and that should be the end of it.

mumper
13th October 2005, 07:39
Personally I wouldn't have paid him a penny and told him to go ahead and sue me. However, the advice given by Alpha and Stephen is probably the most sensible approach.
It's galling that people want to rip you off and then expect to be paid for it.

What was the point of him mentioning that he used to be in the SAS?
If he was then he wouldn't have mentioned it - not all ex SAS become authors like Andy McNab :D

mumper
13th October 2005, 07:41
Personally I wouldn't have paid him a penny and told him to go ahead and sue me. However, the advice given by Alpha and Stephen is probably the most sensible approach.
It's galling that people want to rip you off and then expect to be paid for it.

What was the point of him mentioning that he used to be in the SAS?
If he was then he wouldn't have mentioned it - not all ex SAS become authors like Andy McNab and telling everybody what they got up to.

webit
13th October 2005, 08:02
A cheque which he signs for should be enough to close this matter. Libel is a separate issue and dealt with if it happens (but unlikely I'd of though in this case.)

The letter is not a good representation of how you deal with situations like this and I think an area you might need to take advice on. The focus should be swift and firm action with no discussion or dialogue.