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IMEX Sourcing Services

26th September 2005, 19:09

fastfences

26th September 2005, 19:21

Hi fame,

it takes a very 'special' type of person to succeed in such a venture. there are many where people have made thousands and millions, Amway, Neways, herballife, Betterware and Kleeneeze. If you are one who can talk about nothing but 'the business' to all and sundry you meet, passing on, of course, the 'excellent business opportunity I'd like to show you,' you'll do well. May lose a few friends and family, but you'll make money.

The sysems rely not so much upon you selling the product, but more of recruiting people into 'the business' forming a structure akin to the much maligned (and illegal) pyramid schemes.

I frequently get Betterware and Kleeneeze brouchures dropped through my letterbox. Like many others I don't even read them.

If you think it's for you - go for it. I tried, but I was a failure - or deferred success as schools now put it! I do, however, have a very successful fencing business. Just shows that some things are for us - and some not.
Cheers, Nigel

clickprofits

26th September 2005, 21:08

Not for me either. You might want to read this thread which has (lots!) of opinions on Kleeneze.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=53537&page=1&highlight=kleeneze

New Business

27th September 2005, 10:49

i failed too
i was really hyped up at the start i went everywhere to gain customers but got most cataloges back with no orders found out it could be quite time consuming

JoyDivision

27th September 2005, 12:03

A vicar friend of my dads tried to get to sign up to Amway once, my dad didn't fall for it though, he was saying how great it was and how it has changed his life, 6 months later he gave up.

I think you have to be very pushy to make a living out of any of these schemes.

William Wilson

27th September 2005, 13:49

Nothing wrong with the products, but you would need a large client base to earn a living. The real moneymaker is of course those recruiting people below them, who in turn are encouraged to do the same not quite a pyramid scheme but very close.

BDS710

23rd March 2007, 18:00

Hi,

Sorry to hear about all the failed attempts at Network Marketing in this thread.

I would recommend the industry highly as my experiences have been positive, it does however polarise people.
If you are interested I would suggest the important factors to consider are: the products, the management structure, the compensation plan and the timing.

I wish you every success, afterall you are close to owning your own business with huge potential and of course the tax benefits.

Bart

Tazuk

23rd March 2007, 18:13

kleenezee its ezee for those about 10 levels above you but the market is saturated and with many failures spending time on the business with little or no rewards.

BDS710

23rd March 2007, 18:30

Hi,

I happen to agree with opinion of Kleeneze being saturated, I looked at it before going elsewhere. May be better to look at an opportunity where you can get in ealry and creat wealth as opposed to making an income, each to their own.

Bart

Arcadian

23rd March 2007, 18:32

Wow, this thread is old. Where's Bilzo? He's the Kleeneze king. He must be about as he's been on my forums today!

Bilzo

23rd March 2007, 19:01

Wow this is an old thread!

Saturation is a topic that's come up a number of times. Never really understood the argument. I joined Kleeneze just over 2 years ago, made money from the first month and have continued to do so. A chap in Bristol joined my team just before Xmas and earned £560 part time in his first month and has done so well since that he's just handed his notice in to do Kleeneze full time. At the end of the day there is plenty of business out there for people who want to put the effort in, unfortunately some people see the business model and think it's going to be an easy ride, then get a shock when they find they actualy have to do some work!

IMO the facts speak for themselves. Kleeneze has around 14,000 registered distributors in the UK, Avon have 160,000 and are still growing!

Comspec

23rd March 2007, 19:04

Brought back from Sep 2005 :) I do like the betterware/kleeneze catalogues my local rep leaves - there are some things in there that are hard to find anywhere else. Dunno if there is any money in it though.

cjd

23rd March 2007, 19:10

Do Kleeneze every publish the full distribution of earnings? All we ever seem to hear are anecdotes.

templarmc

23rd March 2007, 19:37

hey

We're having a NM week this week ain't we?

Firstly, I know NM polarises opinions like nothing else on this forum, but I think a proviso is no matter how negative opinions maybe, they need to br fair & truthful.

Secondly, from what little I know, Network Marketing is often considered Multi Level Marketing - though a scheme's proponents always reject this term, I can't see the difference. However, there is a massive difference I feel in the term 'pyramid' scheme, which are commonly considered illegal.

Okay, this may be semantics, but it sets the argument on the wrong foot.

Isn't a pyramid scheme more akin to a Ponzi scheme than NM? Compare & contrast ....

Kleeneze is possibly the most famous NM scheme in the UK, and it's not for me, as I feel there are better NM systems around. My detraction about Kleeneze is they are too popular, in that you may get three of four distributors in you area. Considering the aim is to recruit rather than compete, this seems counter productive to me.

It's interesting to see the lengths other similar schemes go to tag on Kleenezee's shirt-tails. Take Everyday Essentials, they encourage their members to market 'not kleenezee' as websites etc, and use the negativity some feel towards Kleenezee as part of their pitch.

I spoke to one guy about Kleenezee once, told him would get back to him, and talk about hard sell - rung me numerous times inviting to different 'casual' get togethers, barbeques, meals etc. Though he promised it wasn't a pitch, when I asked if any non-Kleenezee members or prospects would be present, guess what answer was. This typifies the bad side of NM to me, either the product is weak you have to over-market & press so bad, or it turns you into such a ruthless, ignorant doofus I would never wish to be.

Doubtless there are some folks are there coining it in, and good luck to them, wish them well. NM is a great idea in my book, providing you find the system, product, team etc that sits well with yourself, and that you can stay motivated with.

PS. One gripe I have with all NM is this, they always state what EARNINGS Mr TiggyWinkle got, but never the PROFIT. Bear in mind most NM schemes involve the member buying either each item, or a set amount of 'stock', as well as catalogues, wrappers etc., usual return seems to be a 20-40% margin. So say Mr T (grr!) buy 50 catalogues that's £25, sells £500 of stock (say 30% margin), that's 150-25 = £125. My bet is in advertising terms, they would show the cheque to mr T of £500, which sounds great P/T, but his real profit is only £125 (less his hours, expenses etc.) Then again, the key is to get a super downstream that sells BIG !

Bilzo

23rd March 2007, 20:00

Hi guys

I can answer a couple of those points...

CJD - Yes, sales figures of all Gold distributors and above are published on a monthly basis. A Gold distributor is the first 'serious' level in the business meaning their combined sales (personal retail and that of any team they have) exceeds £7500 ex VAT in a 28 day period.

There are around 700 Gold or above dists with the company and anyone who is not yet Gold will be in a gold's team.

Exec - Some very valid points. Multi-level-marketing tends to be an American term, us Brits tend to use Network Marketing more but they are synonymous.

Regarding 'hard sell' distributors. Yes, like any business I'm afraid there are good and bad distributors in Kleeneze. Personally I run my business by advertising, sending (email or post) information to people who are interested and following up with a quick call. I've managed to build a small team giving me a tidy little extra income without going down the 'hard sell' route. Again you're quite right that most distributors show income rather than profits. My income fluctuates but is normally around £1200 - £1400 per month at the moment. My expenses are around £200 - £300 out of that.

As has been mentioned already it's not a business for everyone. However, I've found that it suits me very well and I know many other people (some in my team, some not) who are doing very well and like the business. It does take effort and dedication though, but I'd be very skeptical of any business which didn't.

Oh - and Everyday Essentials, who came out of nowhere trying to copy Kleeneze's system and tried to poach their agents lasted about 18 months and went under last year I believe.

cjd

23rd March 2007, 22:08

Arcadian

23rd March 2007, 22:20

I don't see how any company could possibly give that information without being accused of choosing the wrong sample. Take for example the following newbies:

1) Has wanted to do Kleeneze for ages and has been telling all his friends who have saved their orders for him

2) Thinks it will make him rich by joining. Joins and then watches daytime TV every day

3) Joins and is keen but is too busy to promote it

4) Joins and buys a ton of stock, as you suggest

5) Is mad keen and gets his family to help him cover a huge areas and works all hours

Every new distributor will be different. I had nearly 200 people in one of my network marketing companies. I don't think even two treated the business in the same way.

Is it such a big deal? It doesn't cost much to join. No-one knows how they will do in something until they try it. Some people fail. For any number of reasons. Many will succeed.

I will never understand why anyone pushes someone into joining their team (and for that matter will never understand why people will allow themselves to be pushed). The pushee will always be unhappy and will always need to be pushed into doing anything. Why would you want such a person in your business? They will be a millstone round the neck of the one who recruited them. It's pointless on both sides.

Bilzo

23rd March 2007, 22:26

Earnings are based on the amount of time and effort spent. The retail is not dependent on sales skills as the catalogue does all the selling. All a distributor needs to do is pop a catalogue through a door and collect it 2 days later, not exactly high powered sales! Some people use a party-plan system instead (I've got a couple of girls in my team doing that with Kleeneze's Cabouchon jewellery range) but in my opinion this IS a skilled sales job and wouldn't teach anyone to start off that way unless they has previous experience.

I try to get new people dropping a minimum of 200 catalogues per week. That level will typically earn them about £200 - £250 in their first month of which I would advise them to reinvest 10 - 20% if they were serious about doing the business long term. If they have the time to do more they will earn more, simple as that. There is however a 14 day money back guarantee. Most people are well into profit within that time, but if for any reason they don't get as many orders as they expected, or didn't enjoy the business they can get their investment back in full.

fonefinders

25th March 2007, 17:24

Bilzo

25th March 2007, 17:36

I tried it many years ago - about 15 years to be exact and found it to be a waste of money. You pay £50 to join and then pay for the books which immediately go missing. Added to that I tried for about 2 months in my area and never got any sales. A complete waste of time

Paul M

The industry, company, and the product range has changed a LOT in 15 years. Will be interesting to see what difference the new TV advertising makes to the general public's perception of the business.

ladyluck

21st May 2007, 01:19

A good business for those who joined early

ladyluck

21st May 2007, 01:29

It all depends what type of person you are.
If you like walking, no matter what the weather, then it could be for you.

DotNetWebs

21st May 2007, 07:49

A good business for those who joined early

That's it in a nutshell as with any pyramid.. (oops sorry) MLM scheme Unfortunately for anybody joining today it its not quite so rosy.

There is a great Kleenze thread (http://www.horshamforum.com/Topic335-21-1.aspx) on my Horsham Forum (http://www.horshamforum.com/). The link that was added just this morning is very interesting.

Kleenze agents are DESPISED around here. Simply because there are so many of them and they swamp the area with unwanted catalogues.

Regards

Dotty

Hailey

8th October 2007, 18:42

I have been doing Kleeneze for 6 months now and it suits my lifestyle well. You can succeed but you have to be very self motivated person and willing to work hard in the early years. I think it gives ordinary people with little qualifications and no investment a good chance and owning a successful business and making yourself a good income.

If you do join it is very important to choose the right team to join with as they will be your mentors. Your success is their success after all. I researched the teams before joining up and chose mine because they have free online training sessions every week and very good support and resources available.

Be happy to have a chat if you are considering joining.

DotNetWebs

8th October 2007, 23:46

An alternate view:

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Kleeneze_Catalogue__Review_5615673

Regards

Dotty

cjd

23rd October 2007, 10:25

ah, I see my favourite spammer is back.

payitforward

31st January 2010, 14:11

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31st January 2010, 15:10

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payitforward

1st February 2010, 06:46

My point entirely. I rest my case m'lud!

My Owl 1

1st February 2010, 13:01

Hi,

I was just wondering, if anyone has had any experience with Kleenezee network marketing? I was seriously considering joining it, but thought I would ask for opinions?

It would also be nice to know about general experiences with network marketing?

Ash

Yes I have did it for 3 years and then decided to ditch it as a bad job. I worked hard at getting my customer numbers and regular route but it is pay out the whole time with new books, (You only get the first ones freeish with your registration fee), Return costs and the biggest bind is you get charged for your orders being delivered if the total order isnt above £250.

I am now a distributor for utility warehouse, and dont have to go out delivering booklets or orders in the cold, wet and dark. My present customers with UW have had my personal service for which I get a monthly comission from. Which would you rather do.

As to the team building side of kleeneze, in 3 years I got 1 team member, whereas with UW I have 15, and will get the company mini by July.

I suggest that you look else where for a residual income than Kleeneze. pm me if you would like to know more on either Kleeeneze or UW.

Best of luck :)

Avril
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